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    "text": "We are starting, aren't we?"
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    "start": 10.4,
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    "text": "We are starting, crazy."
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    "text": "Glad you're here."
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    "text": "Cheers. Cheers."
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    "text": "2022, really quite young."
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    "text": "“Wehlener Sonnenuhr”, one of the greatest\nvineyard sites on the Moselle."
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    "text": "Grand Cru."
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    "text": "You would have said a “Yummy little Moselle” now."
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    "text": "And also a Dr. Loosen."
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    "start": 27.28,
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    "text": "Oh, oh, oh, oh."
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    "start": 29.0,
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    "text": "As grandpa always says: “Yummy little Moselle”.\n\"Lecker Möselchen\""
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    "text": "So light, isn't it?"
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    "start": 33.399,
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    "text": "Hi and hello at BORN TO BE WINE."
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  {
    "start": 34.88,
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    "text": "It's Denise again, well,"
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    "start": 36.399,
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    "text": "and this time I'm especially looking forward\nto our guest: Ernie Loosen"
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    "text": "from the Dr. Loosen winery in Bernkastel."
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    "text": "The Moselaner has achieved"
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    "start": 51.079,
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    "text": "a passionate cook and host."
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    "start": 56.039,
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    "text": "Ernie is always on the move,"
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    "start": 57.28,
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    "text": "so it's all the nicer that he's with us today."
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    "text": "And Philipp Wittmann from the\nWittmann winery also has the one or other"
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    "start": 64.12,
    "end": 66.68,
    "text": "exciting joint story."
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    "start": 66.68,
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    "text": "As you can see, a very entertaining conversation awaits you."
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    "text": "And great wines, we'll taste them too."
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    "start": 72.359,
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    "text": "On that note, I hope you enjoy yourselves."
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    "text": "So, grandma, she always said,"
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    "text": "“Delicious Kabinettchen to drink oneself sober.”"
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    "start": 81.2,
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    "text": "She could always drink a lot, hallelujah, our grandma.\nThat's the way it is."
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    "text": "But you can drink quite a lot of Mosel."
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    "text": "Even the dry ones are digestible."
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    "text": "We always write 12.5% at the top of the label,"
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    "text": "but they are always between 12 and 12.5%."
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    "text": "They always feel so light."
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    "text": "No, that's isotonic."
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    "text": "There are so many minerals in it."
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    "text": "It nourishes the body."
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    "text": "We're in the \"Gatorade business\", so to speak."
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    "text": "Is the winery in Bernkastel-Kues?"
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    "start": 109.2,
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    "text": "In Bernkastel, yes."
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    "text": "I visited it last year,\nI was there for “Mythos Mosel”."
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    "start": 112.719,
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    "text": "I didn't see you there.\nHave you been hiding?"
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    "text": "But he was there."
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    "text": "I was there too."
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    "start": 119.599,
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    "text": "I was there.\nMaybe he was serving wine somewhere."
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    "start": 122.2,
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    "text": "I was upstairs in the kitchen."
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    "text": "I made the spit roast."
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    "text": "And something else."
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    "start": 129.8,
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    "text": "I have seen sardines."
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    "start": 130.96,
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    "text": "Did you make them too?"
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    "text": "Pressed it into the can?"
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    "start": 133.319,
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    "text": "No, opened the can."
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    "text": "With love, of course."
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    "text": "I was definitely upstairs in the kitchen."
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    "text": "And then I think we did 2 masterclasses a day."
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    "text": "I did that, too."
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    "text": "I didn't realize all that."
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    "text": "So I only came down later."
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    "start": 154.36,
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    "text": "You are a passionate cook."
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    "text": "I like to cook."
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    "text": "I love to cook."
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    "text": "I'd rather be in the kitchen than in the office."
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    "start": 164.68,
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    "text": "But that's more of a hobby."
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    "start": 166.439,
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    "text": "Wine and food often go together."
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    "start": 167.96,
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    "text": "Yes, but you can also just drink."
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    "start": 171.599,
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    "text": "Even with a Moselle wine like this\nthere's always something to go with it."
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    "start": 172.8,
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    "text": "I have to admit, I've already finished it."
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    "text": "It's a thirsty day."
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    "text": "That's why I pour myself another drink."
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    "text": "Say something about the wine, Philipp?"
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    "text": "Yes, of course it's still at the very\nbeginning of its development."
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    "text": "which are infinitely long."
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    "text": "which is what the vineyard site is all about,\nit is very complex."
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    "text": "What I find very beautiful about the wine is,"
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    "text": "that at the moment, as a 2022,\nalready has a certain open fruit,"
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    "text": "which is definitely there."
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    "text": "It already has this yellow, juicy texture."
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    "text": "It's also not heavily laced with yeasty notes or anything,"
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    "text": "that would make it complicated."
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    "text": "That's very nice and accessible."
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    "text": "On the other hand, you notice this complexity,"
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    "text": "this is still very firm and very closed on the palate."
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    "text": "That will probably be in a few years"
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    "text": "2022 was a dry year."
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    "text": "Also on the Moselle, I think it was similar for you."
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    "text": "because a little water was also missing."
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    "text": "But these will probably be old vines again."
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    "text": "Ancient. Ancient vines.\nIt even says: “Old vines”."
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    "text": "It has never been replanted,\nit's all still root-authentic."
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    "text": "And liked these..."
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    "text": "The phylloxera? It just doesn't like the Moselle."
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    "text": "Oh, that's how it is."
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    "text": "No, that simply has to do with the skeleton-rich soils."
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    "text": "How small-scale is it for you in the \"Sonnenuhr\"\nconcerning the plots?"
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    "text": "We have the large plots,"
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    "text": "I got those too."
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    "text": "I never replanted them either."
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    "text": "It's great to have vines that old."
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    "text": "So over 100 years."
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    "start": 376.519,
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  {
    "start": 386.279,
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    "text": "Great presentations, by the way."
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    "start": 387.519,
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    "text": "If you ever get the chance,"
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    "text": "to hear one of his lectures,"
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    "text": "that's super exciting."
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    "start": 393.0,
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    "text": "So not boring at all,"
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    "start": 396.04,
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    "text": "And you still learn something."
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    "start": 398.12,
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    "text": "And I asked him once,"
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    "start": 399.399,
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    "start": 425.24,
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    "start": 426.56,
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    "start": 431.0,
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    "start": 432.639,
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    "text": "But everyone who replanted then had to plant Riesling?"
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    "start": 434.519,
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    "text": "They then planted Riesling."
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    "start": 436.8,
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    "start": 438.6,
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    "text": "here with us on the Middle Moselle"
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    "start": 440.16,
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    "text": "you could say that between"
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    "start": 443.04,
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    "start": 445.36,
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    "text": "so in principle more or less, but not 100% either,"
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    "text": "very briefly, before we get to your wine, Philipp,"
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    "text": "And if it comes out now, it's probably already out of stock,\nbut if you can find it somewhere in the shops"
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    "text": "And he asked me at the opening,\nbecause he was always a big Mosel fan,"
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    "text": "I don't want another Burgundy wine here now.\nI want to have a “Möselchen”."
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    "text": "OK, I said I'd bring you the 12er “Würzgarten”, Reserve. “But only from the magnum,” he said."
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    "text": "That's clear! I would have said that too.\nYes, there were only winegrowers and hoteliers and"
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    "text": "restaurants and so on. And we served it there and\nMonsieur de Villain came later with his wife."
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    "text": "And then Madame de Villain said: “Mr. Loosen,\nthat was the best wine of the whole evening!”"
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    "start": 1891.44,
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    "text": "Do you see? After all.\nNice, isn't it!"
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    "text": "And there were some really big names from Burgundy."
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    "start": 1898.079,
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    "text": "It was of course super charming."
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    "start": 1900.96,
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    "text": "But I've heard that before,"
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    "start": 1902.759,
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    "text": "that this is also the, I'll say it like I've heard it:"
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    "text": "That's the “Ernie-Loosen-trick”..."
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    "start": 1909.16,
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    "text": "Trick?\nYes, the Mosel people have always been very tricky."
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  {
    "start": 1914.0,
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    "text": "...which other winegrowers have also copied.\nThat's what Roman Niewodniczanski told me."
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    "text": "He once told me that he always started with big things\nfrom Burgundy... Oh look, you're being asked."
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    "start": 1926.559,
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    "text": "These are the really bad moments in a program like this,"
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  {
    "start": 1930.0,
    "end": 1934.559,
    "text": "where the colleague in the\ntechnical department is breathing..."
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  {
    "start": 1934.559,
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    "text": "But what if it is Roman?"
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    "start": 1936.4,
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    "text": "Oh my god!\nThat was “live”"
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    "start": 1939.759,
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    "text": "We're talking about you!"
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  {
    "start": 1944.039,
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    "text": "So Roman told me that he always uses the \"Ernie-Loosen-trick\","
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    "start": 1948.88,
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    "text": "which is to open big burgundies and things like that first."
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    "start": 1951.119,
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    "text": "They're great, but also a bit complicated."
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    "text": "And then at the end such a \"Möselchen\", “Little Moselle”."
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    "start": 1957.759,
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    "text": "And everyone would say, but that's actually...\nYes... Oh..."
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    "start": 1962.079,
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    "text": "The great Rieslings of Germany"
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    "start": 1965.68,
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    "text": "don't have to hide."
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    "start": 1966.72,
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    "text": "I think it's the other way around. That Ernie\nalways played the Moselle theme first,"
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    "text": "before they all get poured the burgundies."
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    "start": 1974.599,
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    "text": "Why don't you tell me how you do it?"
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    "text": "No, you have to...\nHonestly."
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  {
    "start": 1980.839,
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    "text": "This one here is also from a very famous winemaker,"
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  {
    "start": 1983.88,
    "end": 1986.079,
    "text": "from Dominique Lafon,"
  },
  {
    "start": 1986.079,
    "end": 1988.2,
    "text": "who is actually more famous for his white wines."
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  {
    "start": 1988.2,
    "end": 1991.359,
    "text": "But I think his red wines are sensational,"
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  {
    "start": 1991.359,
    "end": 1992.519,
    "text": "but they are still favorable in price,"
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  {
    "start": 1992.519,
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    "text": "because he's just famous for his white wines."
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  {
    "start": 1994.759,
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    "text": "But he makes great red wines that age incredibly well."
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    "start": 1998.319,
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    "text": "30 years old, I still have “Santenots” from 1988,"
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  {
    "start": 2000.88,
    "end": 2002.96,
    "text": "The stuff is still young and fresh."
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    "start": 2002.96,
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    "text": "And that's pretty simple."
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    "start": 2007.44,
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    "text": "If you show your wines next to\nthe great wines of the world,"
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    "text": "Yours is also residual sweet, isn't it?"
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    "text": "Let's leave that out, that was the backup bottle."
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    "text": "Oh, 23."
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    "start": 2870.96,
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    "text": "Yes, okay. Other side of the Rhine, uh Moselle side."
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    "text": "Yes, that's the “ebsch Seit`”, \"the nasty side\", over there."
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    "text": "It's like us, you don't want to mix it up."
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    "start": 2875.599,
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    "text": "No, you don't really have that, right?"
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    "start": 2877.48,
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    "text": "Or is that also the case?"
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    "text": "Yes, but now see how he values it."
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  {
    "start": 2880.96,
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    "text": "Listen, the \"Kueser\" people over there, sorry."
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    "text": "I understand that, of course."
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    "start": 3827.559,
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    "text": "Only 500 bottles?\nYou have to have something to drink."
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    "text": "Aha, I see."
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    "text": "For science!"
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    "start": 4303.96,
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    "start": 4305.319,
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    "text": "of course, with the residual sugar."
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    "start": 4307.96,
    "end": 4310.96,
    "text": "But everyone has 25, 26 g of residual sugar...\nThat's nice!"
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    "start": 4310.96,
    "end": 4313.96,
    "text": "And I confess, my glass is empty, I'll pour another one."
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    "start": 4313.96,
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  },
  {
    "start": 4316.0,
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    "start": 4318.84,
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    "text": "It will be on the market now, at the end of the year."
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    "text": "2012?"
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    "start": 4322.52,
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    "text": "Yes, it's not even on the market yet."
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    "start": 4323.96,
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    "text": "Crazy. But great!\nAnd we're already drinking it!"
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  {
    "start": 4326.359,
    "end": 4328.96,
    "text": "He can go out already!"
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  {
    "start": 4328.96,
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    "start": 4330.52,
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    "start": 4332.64,
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    "start": 4334.96,
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    "text": "To grandpa! To grandpa!"
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    "start": 4336.96,
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    "text": "We're still benefiting from that today, aren't we?"
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    "start": 4339.159,
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    "text": "Really great wine!\nBut how fresh it still is, isn't it? 2012. Great acidity."
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    "start": 4342.279,
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    "text": "Yes, and we're in the texture"
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    "start": 4345.439,
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    "start": 4347.88,
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    "text": "This is very delicate! Fruit."
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    "start": 4350.84,
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    "text": "Blue slate soil, wonderful!"
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    "start": 4353.96,
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    "start": 4354.84,
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  {
    "start": 4356.88,
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    "start": 4358.64,
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    "start": 4363.159,
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    "start": 4367.6,
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    "start": 4370.96,
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    "start": 4384.68,
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    "start": 4391.039,
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    "start": 4401.479,
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    "start": 4404.92,
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    "start": 4409.079,
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    "text": "Set, yes, North Korea too, I guess."
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    "text": "I have a younger brother,\nhe's also the brains in the family."
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    "start": 4416.96,
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    "start": 4424.359,
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    "start": 4444.0,
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    "start": 4446.119,
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    "start": 4450.92,
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    "start": 4451.72,
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    "text": "But this is all from the Dr. Loosen winery now?"
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    "start": 4454.96,
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    "text": "Yes, yes, yes."
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    "start": 4456.159,
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    "start": 4459.56,
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    "start": 4478.76,
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    "start": 4482.159,
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    "start": 4483.64,
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    "start": 4579.039,
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    "text": "Nope, I don't know. What did he say?"
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    "start": 4583.68,
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    "start": 4609.88,
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    "start": 4646.0,
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    "start": 4663.119,
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    "start": 4666.039,
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    "text": "How does it all work?"
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    "start": 4667.239,
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    "start": 4669.479,
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    "text": "I have a very clear idea about wine."
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    "start": 4672.439,
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    "start": 4692.159,
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    "start": 4697.84,
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    "start": 4699.56,
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    "start": 4701.239,
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    "start": 4702.039,
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    "text": "That will be the same."
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    "start": 4702.96,
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    "text": "This is really nice here."
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    "text": "...aromatics rather, yes, or what? I don't know."
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    "text": "Yes, it can be very playful."
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    "text": "I say: Yes, you can use it to pick up people\nwho might not otherwise have access to it."
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    "text": "Then I'm wrong."
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    "text": "But nevertheless I have noticed that\nmany people say, yes, I like the Mosel wines."
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    "text": "I would say it's the other way around."
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    "text": "Did you notice that in Denmark?\nThat's logical."
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    "text": "Yes, but the Moselle in Germany\ndoesn't have a good standing."
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    "text": "And when it comes to dry wines,\nwe are naturally more meagre."
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    "text": "Or Rheinhessen here, or something, it can not keep up."
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    "text": "No, I actually say it differently."
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    "text": "Yes, and this..."
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    "text": "...No matter how you do it, you can't do it."
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    "text": "So you can also make 13.5%, 14% alcohol at the Moselle."
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    "start": 5235.6,
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    "text": "So, I'll pour the 97 again."
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    "start": 5237.079,
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    "text": "Yes, thank you very much."
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    "start": 5238.079,
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    "start": 5240.439,
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    "text": "The nice thing is with the old wines,"
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    "text": "you can drink them like water."
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    "start": 5244.64,
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    "text": "They don't hurt."
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    "start": 5247.039,
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    "text": "Ernie, watch out: I have already co-hosted\na few episodes here,"
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  {
    "start": 5251.68,
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    "text": "but that the glasses are empty so quickly,\nwe don't have that often."
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    "start": 5256.64,
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    "text": "It's flowing well today."
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    "start": 5258.079,
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    "text": "Thank you very much."
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    "text": "Such a “Möselchen”, \"Yummy little Moselle\",\ndrinks like nothing."
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    "text": "It drinks like water."
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    "start": 5262.399,
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    "text": "Now watch out, now quick round of questions."
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    "start": 5265.6,
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    "text": "So don't think, answer quickly."
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    "text": "Which of your wines is a seducer?"
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    "start": 5270.399,
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    "text": "Because we only make Riesling, it can only be a Riesling."
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    "text": "in the category I have here now.\nWonderful!"
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    "start": 5278.159,
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    "text": "With the long yeast storage, they can age."
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    "start": 5281.439,
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    "text": "Yes, listen, we're drinking them right now too."
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    "start": 5283.52,
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    "text": "Well, if that's not a seducer."
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    "start": 5285.72,
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    "text": "Stupid question, isn't it?"
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    "start": 5287.079,
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    "text": "Okay, with which personality, dead or alive,"
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    "text": "And if so, which one?"
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    "text": "Crazy, that sounds strange now,"
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    "text": "with Hölderlin."
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    "text": "Can you quote something from Hölderlin?"
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    "text": "That fits in with the study again...\nThe archaeologist comes through again."
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    "text": "Hölderlin, no one would think of that."
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    "text": "Hölderlin, we haven't had that here either."
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    "text": "Do you have a secret talent?"
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    "text": "Yes."
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    "text": "And will you tell us?"
  },
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    "text": "Yes, I can drink a lot."
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    "text": "Is that secret..."
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    "start": 5367.64,
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    "text": "...No, even the fact that he can cook is no longer a secret."
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    "text": "Did he ever cook for you?"
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    "start": 5372.92,
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    "text": "I once really had the great pleasure\nto experience this delight."
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    "text": "Ernie always ran back in the kitchen after every course."
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    "text": "Great."
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    "text": "If you could have a superpower, what would it be?"
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    "text": "To make great wine."
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    "text": "Yes, good, but you're already doing that.\nOooohhhhh..."
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    "text": "And for the last percents,\nso I think you should never give up,"
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    "text": "To think about it."
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    "text": "I could imagine,\nwe could get something out of it."
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    "text": "then like that, and after 20 years you\ntake that one more like this,"
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    "text": "And then 20 years ago I did this thing"
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    "text": "with the \"Tradition\",\nwhich are not even on the market yet."
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    "start": 5547.199,
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    "text": "What else do you have in the pipeline?"
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    "text": "I'm not saying that yet."
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    "text": "We'll all find out later."
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    "text": "You noticed,"
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  {
    "start": 5556.359,
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    "text": "how he drummed?"
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    "start": 5558.359,
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    "text": "There's more to come."
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    "text": "But that's the last one,"
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    "text": "because I don't want to grow old forever either."
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    "text": "Yes, Aunt Mie, our old Aunt Mie,"
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    "text": "has turned 104 years old."
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    "text": "You can't say that now..."
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    "start": 5567.88,
    "end": 5571.72,
    "text": "...Then she got upset about it,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5571.72,
    "end": 5573.239,
    "text": "that they took away her driver's license at 100."
  },
  {
    "start": 5573.239,
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    "text": "No, but my projects, they always take 10, 20 years."
  },
  {
    "start": 5577.0,
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    "text": "Okay, I understand."
  },
  {
    "start": 5577.88,
    "end": 5580.0,
    "text": "But I can already hint at it,"
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  {
    "start": 5580.0,
    "end": 5582.119,
    "text": "Residual sweet wines, nobody wants Beerenauslese anymore"
  },
  {
    "start": 5582.119,
    "end": 5583.279,
    "text": "and Trockenbeerenauslesen."
  },
  {
    "start": 5583.279,
    "end": 5585.319,
    "text": "This is a dead business."
  },
  {
    "start": 5585.319,
    "end": 5588.199,
    "text": "These highly sweet wines, so even Sauternes has a problem,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5588.199,
    "end": 5590.199,
    "text": "Tokaj also has a problem,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5590.199,
    "end": 5593.92,
    "text": "because they are making more and more dry wines,\nbecause nobody wants the others anymore."
  },
  {
    "start": 5593.92,
    "end": 5595.64,
    "text": "But now I've discovered something,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5595.64,
    "end": 5598.439,
    "text": "I'll put it this way, that's how it used to be done."
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  {
    "start": 5598.439,
    "end": 5601.0,
    "text": "I now leave my Trockenbeerenauslesen"
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  {
    "start": 5601.0,
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    "text": "10 years in the barrel"
  },
  {
    "start": 5602.88,
    "end": 5604.52,
    "text": "on the lees.\nHallelujah."
  },
  {
    "start": 5604.52,
    "end": 5606.56,
    "text": "I have the 2017 right now,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5606.56,
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    "text": "“Wehlener Sonnenuhr TBA”, I just tried it."
  },
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    "start": 5608.84,
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    "text": "And they are super elegant."
  },
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    "start": 5610.359,
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    "text": "They are no longer so fat and so thick."
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    "start": 5611.479,
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    "text": "But that means: Cold."
  },
  {
    "start": 5613.52,
    "end": 5614.399,
    "text": "Yes, yes, cold."
  },
  {
    "start": 5614.399,
    "end": 5616.88,
    "text": "Well, there's no other way."
  },
  {
    "start": 5616.88,
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    "text": "What does “cold” mean?"
  },
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    "start": 5618.399,
    "end": 5621.96,
    "text": "The problem is, it happens very quickly,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5621.96,
    "end": 5624.439,
    "text": "then it starts to post-ferment."
  },
  {
    "start": 5624.439,
    "end": 5626.68,
    "text": "Yes, but they also went down further."
  },
  {
    "start": 5626.68,
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    "text": "They are not at 6% alcohol then,"
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  {
    "start": 5629.8,
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    "text": "but at 5.5%."
  },
  {
    "start": 5630.8,
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    "text": "They are no longer at 8% alcohol."
  },
  {
    "start": 5632.92,
    "end": 5633.92,
    "text": "But you chill them?"
  },
  {
    "start": 5633.92,
    "end": 5635.96,
    "text": "But even the 8% will not inhibit sufficiently,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5635.96,
    "end": 5637.52,
    "text": "if you do not keep it at a stable temperature."
  },
  {
    "start": 5637.52,
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    "text": "Sure, the sugar also preserves."
  },
  {
    "start": 5640.319,
    "end": 5641.88,
    "text": "But they have stopped fermenting on their own."
  },
  {
    "start": 5641.88,
    "end": 5642.76,
    "text": "And that's always important,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5642.76,
    "end": 5644.439,
    "text": "that it stops fermenting on its own."
  },
  {
    "start": 5644.439,
    "end": 5646.64,
    "text": "Then the botrytis gets,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5646.64,
    "end": 5649.96,
    "text": "what do you call it, this bacterial character,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5649.96,
    "end": 5652.84,
    "text": "that it then influences the yeast"
  },
  {
    "start": 5652.84,
    "end": 5654.119,
    "text": "and it can no longer continue to ferment.\nAgreed."
  },
  {
    "start": 5654.119,
    "end": 5656.119,
    "text": "It gets such a beautiful elegance."
  },
  {
    "start": 5656.119,
    "end": 5657.96,
    "text": "But that's another one of those projects."
  },
  {
    "start": 5657.96,
    "end": 5658.84,
    "text": "Sorry about the quick round of questions.\nAll good."
  },
  {
    "start": 5658.84,
    "end": 5662.6,
    "text": "My wife always says: Yes, you're talking in"
  },
  {
    "start": 5662.6,
    "end": 5665.239,
    "text": "3 minutes 5 wild boars dead."
  },
  {
    "start": 5665.239,
    "end": 5667.0,
    "text": "Just stop it!"
  },
  {
    "start": 5667.0,
    "end": 5670.56,
    "text": "I think we should drink to that."
  },
  {
    "start": 5670.56,
    "end": 5673.64,
    "text": "Very good, Ernie."
  },
  {
    "start": 5673.64,
    "end": 5675.239,
    "text": "That's world class."
  },
  {
    "start": 5675.239,
    "end": 5677.319,
    "text": "Which wine impressed you the most,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5677.319,
    "end": 5677.92,
    "text": "recently,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5677.92,
    "end": 5682.119,
    "text": "apart from the ones we're drinking tonight?\nOh, in the last time?"
  },
  {
    "start": 5682.119,
    "end": 5683.6,
    "text": "For me “Würzgarten” 1997"
  },
  {
    "start": 5683.6,
    "end": 5687.8,
    "text": "and “Würzgarten” Reserve 2018"
  },
  {
    "start": 5687.8,
    "end": 5689.399,
    "text": "are actually for me"
  },
  {
    "start": 5689.399,
    "end": 5692.399,
    "text": "now sustainable from the last months,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5692.399,
    "end": 5694.8,
    "text": "the two wines I want to pick out,"
  },
  {
    "start": 5694.8,
    "end": 5695.92,
    "text": "not because we're sitting here right now, but"
  },
  {
    "start": 5695.92,
    "end": 5698.039,
    "text": "because I think it's very, very cool."
  },
  {
    "start": 5698.039,
    "end": 5700.159,
    "text": "That's awesome too."
  },
  {
    "start": 5700.159,
    "end": 5700.84,
    "text": "I am also flashed."
  },
  {
    "start": 5700.84,
    "end": 5702.72,
    "text": "That's right, it's a flash."
  },
  {
    "start": 5702.72,
    "end": 5704.56,
    "text": "I am also flashed."
  },
  {
    "start": 5704.56,
    "end": 5705.52,
    "text": "Aahhh, delicious “Möselchen”, \"Yummi little Moselle\"!"
  },
  {
    "start": 5705.52,
    "end": 5705.96,
    "text": "On that note..."
  },
  {
    "start": 5705.96,
    "end": 5710.039,
    "text": "...with this delicious “Möselchen” I would like to..."
  },
  {
    "start": 5710.039,
    "end": 5711.52,
    "text": "...yes, delicious “Yummy little Burgund”."
  },
  {
    "start": 5711.52,
    "end": 5713.6,
    "text": "Delicious “Burgundy”, exactly."
  },
  {
    "start": 5713.6,
    "end": 5715.6,
    "text": "It was nice that you were there."
  },
  {
    "start": 5715.6,
    "end": 5716.52,
    "text": "Thank you very, very much.\nYou're welcome."
  },
  {
    "start": 5716.52,
    "end": 5717.96,
    "text": "I'll say Ernie now, too."
  },
  {
    "start": 5717.96,
    "end": 5719.159,
    "text": "Everyone says Ernie. Why do they actually say Ernie?"
  },
  {
    "start": 5719.159,
    "end": 5719.6,
    "text": "I have no idea."
  },
  {
    "start": 5719.6,
    "end": 5722.64,
    "text": "My full name is Ernst Friedrich Maria Francois Paul."
  },
  {
    "start": 5722.64,
    "end": 5723.84,
    "text": "Okay, Ernie."
  },
  {
    "start": 5723.84,
    "end": 5725.079,
    "text": "Exactly!"
  },
  {
    "start": 5725.079,
    "end": 5727.96,
    "text": "And my father always"
  },
  {
    "start": 5727.96,
    "end": 5729.359,
    "text": "called me “Ernfried”."
  },
  {
    "start": 5729.359,
    "end": 5733.96,
    "text": "And I hated that so much. “Ernfried”.\nWhat kind of fucking name is that!"
  },
  {
    "start": 5733.96,
    "end": 5734.96,
    "text": "That's why he studied archaeology."
  },
  {
    "start": 5734.96,
    "end": 5739.239,
    "text": "But “Ernfried”, that's even worse than “Hölderlin”."
  },
  {
    "start": 5739.239,
    "end": 5740.96,
    "text": "Thank you very much, Ernie, for being there."
  },
  {
    "start": 5740.96,
    "end": 5742.319,
    "text": "It was great fun."
  },
  {
    "start": 5742.319,
    "end": 5744.239,
    "text": "We could actually chat for another 3-4 hours."
  },
  {
    "start": 5744.239,
    "end": 5745.68,
    "text": "We wouldn't run out of topics."
  },
  {
    "start": 5745.68,
    "end": 5747.439,
    "text": "We still have wine."
  },
  {
    "start": 5747.439,
    "end": 5748.439,
    "text": "Thank you very much. Chin Chin."
  },
  {
    "start": 5748.439,
    "end": 5749.52,
    "text": "Cheers, cheers."
  },
  {
    "start": 5749.52,
    "end": 5750.64,
    "text": "See you next time."
  }
]