[ { "start": 3.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: One aspect of our system is really important, the fact that it works circular. The bricks, the little timber blocks in one wall, they are all connected only by beech dowels, so no glue, which means in the end you can deconstruct a wall, put the little bricks on the pallets again. We take back the pallets, check the bricks for their quality, and can bring them into new construction systems, which obviously saves a lot of resources.", "end": 31.0 }, { "start": 31.0, "text": "Jingle: My name is Patrick Hypscher, and this is circularity.fm, the podcast about understanding, building, and managing circular business models.", "end": 56.0 }, { "start": 56.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: This is the second episode of Rooftop Extension. Last week, Thijs Müller and Didier Mignery made the case for building on top, the potential sitting on our roofs, and what makes a project pay. Today, we look at one roof, a two-story rear building in a Dresden courtyard, a young family living in it, and a new floor stacked on top in timber, block by block. Our first guest builds almost exclusively in what already exists. Renovation, conversation, adaptive reuse, and rooftop extension.", "end": 91.0 }, { "start": 91.0, "text": "He is convinced that the most sustainable way of building starts with the structures we already have. He founded Denk.mal.Bau, and he planned and delivered this project. Welcome, Dirk.", "end": 104.0 }, { "start": 104.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Hello. Nice to see you.", "end": 106.0 }, { "start": 106.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: With him is the man who put the blocks on that roof into the public eye. He studied political science and media communication and joined TRIQBRIQ six years ago. Today, he leads their public relations. Welcome, Lewin.", "end": 121.0 }, { "start": 121.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Hi, thanks for having me.", "end": 123.0 }, { "start": 123.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: We already talked in the first episode about the economic and social reason of rooftop extensions. And now we wanna look at one specific example in Germany, to be more precise, in Dresden. And I'm really happy because it's, it's a really nice project, and you will hear more about it right now, especially from Dirk. Dirk, give us a bit of an overview. What's the background of this rooftop extension? How big is the building? Where is it? Who owns it? How does the surrounding look like?", "end": 156.0 }, { "start": 156.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Okay. Yeah, as you already said, it's located in Dresden, Germany. Dresden is still a growing city and has about five hundred and seventy thousand inhabitants. The building sits in a dense residential area with historic buildings from the late 19th century. Originally, it was a working-class district near the Elbe River.", "end": 181.0 }, { "start": 181.0, "text": "In German, it's called a rear building, so, um, a smaller building tucked inside a courtyard behind the closed street front development. That's typical of these late 19th century so-called Gründerzeit blocks. And, um, the house has two floors, ground floor and first floor, and no basement. And the owner is a young family, and they live in the building themselves.", "end": 206.0 }, { "start": 206.0, "text": "Their apartment has about one hundred and ten square meters of living space. And the existing layout just wasn't suitable anymore for a growing family, so they needed more space. The building originally had a flat roof with a surrounding parapet, and we removed the waterproofing and the insulation and built the new floor directly on top of the existing structure.", "end": 234.0 }, { "start": 234.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Okay, wonderful. I mean, it, it sounds exciting as someone who knows Dresden, that really, again, yeah, it sounds beautiful. Dirk, so why did the owner decide to add another floor?", "end": 245.0 }, { "start": 245.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Okay. The family has already two children and were expecting their third. Finally, the rooftop extension was simply the best way to create more living space. And the alternative was moving to another home with the same location, the same quality of life, and all the support networks the family relies on, from nursery to school to friends and neighbors, would have been expensive and difficult.", "end": 273.0 }, { "start": 273.0, "text": "And it's uncertain whether they'd even have found a suitable home in Dresden. The market is, um, not so easy. And, uh, this example stands, uh, for a bigger picture as well. If we want more housing without building on new land, we need to make better use of the buildings we already have. And rooftop extension are one important part of the solution. Besides the creation of new space, this solution allowed the family to stay in their home during the entire construction phase.", "end": 309.0 }, { "start": 309.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: I mean, this is super interesting be- because it's not so much a purely commercial investor case, yeah, as we also discussed in the first episode, but more as a bit like a private case. But still, what are the costs and benefits that make this economically viable?", "end": 328.0 }, { "start": 328.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: At the moment, I can tell you for, for this project, we decided to go for a timber construction and ended up at about two thousand five hundred euro per square meter of gross floor area. In Germany, this is a really good result. The construction time was extremely short too. Only three weeks passed between the delivery of the main materials and the completion of the shell construction.", "end": 357.0 }, { "start": 357.0, "text": "After these three weeks, the roofer started his work with insulation and waterproofing. So this is a, a very good thing we have, this result.", "end": 369.0 }, { "start": 369.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: 2,500 per square meter, can you put that a bit context? So what's the average cost for a rooftop extension, and what makes this specific project then a bit more affordable?", "end": 385.0 }, { "start": 385.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Well, a typical one-story rooftop extension in Germany currently costs around 3,000 euro, I think, per square meter, depending on the complexity, with most projects ranging from three to 4,000 euro. We stayed well below with price levels, and this was made possible by a high level of prefabrication and efficient timber construction system, a short construction time, and, of course, a carefully planning by us.", "end": 421.0 }, { "start": 421.0, "text": "And the fifth point, dry construction methods, also was a big time saver. So we don't have to wait for, for a finish of concrete, um, time, and so on. In addition, the new floor has no sanitary installations, and we used on an air-to-air heat pump instead of extending the existing heating system.", "end": 448.0 }, { "start": 448.0, "text": "This avoided costly modifications to the building services and helped keep the overall costs low also.", "end": 457.0 }, { "start": 457.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Cool. That really sounds pretty smart. You thought a bit harder in the beginning to make it more affordable. And I guess that also helps on the environmental side. So, but first of", "end": 471.0 }, { "start": 471.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Of course.", "end": 472.0 }, { "start": 472.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: what environmental goals did you want to achieve, if any, if this was relevant at all?", "end": 477.0 }, { "start": 477.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Hmm. Our main goal was simple: um, build with a sustainable material. So we moved away from a conventional concrete construction toward timber construction. That means, instead of using a conventional material that creates emissions, we used natural materials that stores carbon. For the external insulation, we used wood fiber boards, and we were able to reduce the amount of plaster board to a minimum, which is necessary to full- full- fulfill fire protection standards.", "end": 517.0 }, { "start": 517.0, "text": "The majority of walls are covered with clay boards. Clay can help regulate indoor humidity in a natural way and to create a healthy indoor climate. Today, the new floor is actually the best insulated and healthiest part of the whole house. The family is very happy with the situation.", "end": 538.0 }, { "start": 538.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Great. I mean, we will come to Lewin in a second, but you chose the TRIQBRIQ system. And I can also imagine, based on what you said before, why is that, especially on the sustainable part and the speed of the construction and so on. But yeah, what was your initial motivation to go for TRIQBRIQ?", "end": 557.0 }, { "start": 557.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Um, the access to the construction site came with some specialities. We... I said already something about the front building, and we only had an opening of about two by two meters in the front building. Through this tiny opening, we, we had to bring every piece of material and every machine. And one way of building with timber is to use fully fabricated, uh, solid timber walls.", "end": 590.0 }, { "start": 590.0, "text": "For, for this option, we would have needed a large crane and an excessively long road closure. All that comes with high costs, required permission, crane services, and so on. And in the end, the conditions on the construction site led us to take TRIQBRIQ. We... The very small access to the courtyard and the difficult crane, crane situation forced us to reach out for another solution.", "end": 621.0 }, { "start": 621.0, "text": "I was curious to try this construction system, and fortunately, I found a carpenter who was just as interested as I was. And at the end, no one of us regrets that decision. It was perfect. We were happy. The owners, they are happy too with the final result. It was a good thing.", "end": 645.0 }, { "start": 645.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: It sounds all like super easy, super happy, but I guess, as always, there are also some, some challenges. Yeah, what were the biggest, let's say, technical challenges when you add a new floor to an existing building? Everyone tells me it's super complicated, and yeah, what was it for you, and how did you solve them?", "end": 666.0 }, { "start": 666.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Hmm. Okay. We, we changed from hard stone to, to wood. So maybe we, we hadn't... not the great problems with, with the weight or something. Honestly speaking, I was surprised about that there was no such great technical challenge. Only the connection between, uh, the existing concrete structure and the new timber construction had to be figured out.", "end": 692.0 }, { "start": 692.0, "text": "We had to create a perfectly level base before we could even continue building. So we installed wooden beams on the existing concrete balustrade. They were aligned and secured with threaded rods and supported underneath with mortar. When we started, um, with the stacking of a new wooden construction.", "end": 717.0 }, { "start": 717.0, "text": "At the beginning of a project, we had, uh, other problem, maybe more an organizational challenge we had to stand. It was to convince the structural engineer to get familiar with this new building system. This was, um, quite hard work. The structural engineer wasn't familiar with product and preferred to calculate monolithically with stone.", "end": 744.0 }, { "start": 744.0, "text": "But at the end, he has done his work, and all would be fine.", "end": 750.0 }, { "start": 750.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Wonderful. Dirk, well, that sounds like a great project, and especially as a project you will probably repeat, hopefully, then for more many people it won't be new again. And on the other hand, looking at Lewin now, I guess that's daily business to tell experts and teach experts about TRIQBRIQ, how it works, how to incorporate it into processes and methodologies.", "end": 775.0 }, { "start": 775.0, "text": "But before we look into that, Lewin, tell us a bit, what is TRIQBRIQ and how does it work?", "end": 781.0 }, { "start": 781.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yeah, but first of all, reacting to what you said, obviously I'm always happy when the experts are happy too. It's best-case scenario that you can have. But about TRIQBRIQ, yeah, what we did is we developed a massive timber construction system. The one hand, you could say, \"Well, there are already a lot of massive timber systems out there.\"", "end": 803.0 }, { "start": 803.0, "text": "\"Why develop a new one?\" We definitely saw challenges that the construction industry still has, but at the same time, challenges from an entrepreneur side can always be opportunities, right? And I would say one of the big, big challenges when it comes to massive timber systems is the massive use of timber, and our system is a micro-modular system.", "end": 828.0 }, { "start": 828.0, "text": "It consists of many little bricks, pegs on top, little holes on the bottom, and then you connect those timber bricks, and then you actually create a wall. And even the bricks by themselves consist of little, little timber pieces, many of them, and all of them, just like the bricks themselves, are connected with beech dowels, means that you don't have any glue in the system compared to many other systems. And also the fact that the pieces are so little makes it possible for us to use a wood of lower quality, um, wood that normally ends up in combustion. So we rescue that wood from value chains like Euro pallets, packaging, and whatnot, and bring it into a long-lasting structural, great working timber construction system that pa- can be used in project like this project, but also way bigger projects.", "end": 884.0 }, { "start": 884.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Wonderful. I mean, if you talk about tiny bricks, it of course connects with what Dirk said, that they just had a small front door. I mean, I was surprised to learn about that, but it totally makes sense. Is this something that happens frequently in your projects that you have, let's say, size con- constraints, or is this also more like an exception?", "end": 904.0 }, { "start": 904.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: No, it's absolutely not an exception. Just like Dirk, we have other architects who have similar situations, and then they start researching. Maybe they already heard about us because they saw us on TV in \"Sendung mit der Maus\" or \"Galileo,\" or maybe they saw us on LinkedIn or Instagram. M- maybe they just find out about us when they research, and then we offer the perfect solution for situations like that, where you don't have to block the street for, like, two days to install the crane, but you can just, like, use a little crane in the back of the building because our bricks and the Euro pallets are so small they fit, fit in everywhere, basically.", "end": 940.0 }, { "start": 940.0, "text": "Yeah.", "end": 942.0 }, { "start": 942.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Sounds, sounds really good. You already teased out a few characteristics. What are the circular one you would highlight?", "end": 949.0 }, { "start": 949.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yes, especially thinking about the name of the podcast too. Well, I think when it comes to the perks of the system, it's always a matter of perspective, right? If we're thinking about, well, private customers, like the customers of Dirk who built like a new floor, the circular aspect may be not the most, maybe not the most important one.", "end": 967.0 }, { "start": 967.0, "text": "However, it still is important because we wanna build sustainably, especially if you feel a responsibility for our society and our planet. Especially thinking about our professional customers, like the big corporations, the big project developers, the retail sector, one aspect of our system is really important, the fact that it works circular, which means, as I already said, the bricks, the little timber blocks in one wall, they are all connected only by beech dowels, so no glue, which means in the end you can deconstruct a wall, put the little bricks on the pallets again. We take back the pallets, check the bricks for their quality, and can bring them into new construction systems, which obviousl- which obviously saves a lot of resources and also a lot of CO2.", "end": 1018.0 }, { "start": 1018.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Do you already have some stories of some bricks being in their second, third, fourth, let's say, iteration? So where are you standing right now?", "end": 1027.0 }, { "start": 1027.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yes, of course. The thing is, we are a startup, right? We're roughly five years old now, which is not a lot of time in the construction sector. If you're a startup and you go out there and tell the people, \"Hey, our system works circular,\" obviously everyone wants proof because no one believes a startup anything. Which is kind of a problem, because the few projects back then that had been built with our system, they all were meant to last at least for decades, right? Which is totally right. Buildings should last for a long time. It's always the more sustainable option to let the building last, right? So I had the issue that I never had a building that I actually could deconstruct. So what I did is I, I myself, I live in Berlin. I, I went to the CEO, uh, of the Tegel Projekt GmbH. It's one of the closed airport in Berlin. As you know, we have a few", "end": 1075.0 }, { "start": 1075.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Yeah.", "end": 1076.0 }, { "start": 1076.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: in Berlin. And I asked her because they're developing a huge timber construction project there anyways, the Schumacher Quartier. So the whole sector, like the professional sector, is looking at that area anyways. And I asked her if it would, if it would be possible to build a little pavilion there. A pavilion that I could let sit there for a few months, maybe a year, and then deconstruct, then we'll see what happens. And she said, \"Yes, Lewin, why not actually do that? It sounds, sounds amazing.\" However, I'm still a startup, and money is always c- a critical point.", "end": 1107.0 }, { "start": 1107.0, "text": "So I found a lot of cool partners, HOCHTIEF, Züblin, Concular, Madaster, many cool project partners like Gutex, for example, or Lithotherm, and also a great architectural office, Beta Realities, and we designed a pavilion that is completely circular. Not even just the bricks, but the whole building. HOCHTIEF, back in the end of 2024, built the pavilion in just two weeks with a lot of help by us and the architects and all the partners. And then the pavilion sat there for one year. They used it for an exhibition, for workshops. I was there with the mayor of Berlin. I was there with TV stations, so it was really interesting. After one year, I asked a, a manager of Züblin if he could help me deconstruct it and build it back up. And he said, \"Yes, of course. It's super interesting. We also want to know how circularity works.\" And then in the end of 2025, Züblin deconstructed the pavilion, and we rebuild it in a different shape one kilometer, one kilometer apart from the old location. And now it's sitting right on top of the former landing strip of the airport of Berlin-Tegel.", "end": 1176.0 }, { "start": 1176.0, "text": "So if you— back in the past, if you maybe landed in Berlin once, you, you know where the location is because you've been there. And now the pavilion sits there. And the interesting part is, even though we changed the shape of the building, and 98% of the material of the new circular pavilion is from the old one, and we built it in two weeks and two days, including the deconstruction.", "end": 1204.0 }, { "start": 1204.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Okay. Wow.", "end": 1205.0 }, { "start": 1205.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yeah.", "end": 1205.0 }, { "start": 1205.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: That's impressive.", "end": 1206.0 }, { "start": 1206.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: It worked like a charm.", "end": 1207.0 }, { "start": 1207.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Yeah. I have to go to the other side of Berlin and check it out, yeah.", "end": 1211.0 }, { "start": 1211.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yes.", "end": 1212.0 }, { "start": 1212.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Mm, Dirk, of course, gave us the example of the rooftop extension, and this is what the series is also about. What makes TRIQBRIQ suitable for rooftop extensions?", "end": 1225.0 }, { "start": 1225.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Well, first of all, it's always a general decision on how you want to build and what perks you want to offer for your customers. I would say if you have a massive timber system, you will end up— you will always end up with a great building. The comfort level in the building will be amazing. You will have good insulation, thinking about the heat resistance, but also in winter. So it's a not thinking about a rooftop extension at all. It's a general decision that you make for your customers, maybe together with your customers, that you want to have a, a great house in the end, a great living situation. And then if you think about the rooftop scenario, and you made the decision that you want to have massive timber wall, obviously you will end up with challenges. As Dirk already mentioned, maybe it's really difficult to actually reach the construction site because it's in the back row of buildings.", "end": 1276.0 }, { "start": 1276.0, "text": "Maybe the entrance situation is really difficult. Maybe you have tricky situations with the neighbor buildings. That can always be a case. And if you have a micro-modular system that consists out of many little pieces that are, however, pre-constructed and have a really easy c- easy connection system, then you can still build fast, but you can adapt your planning really, really individually concerning the specific issues that you might have with the rooftop extension. And I think that makes TRIQBRIQ a great system to, to those scenarios.", "end": 1310.0 }, { "start": 1310.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: And going beyond the rooftops, you already mentioned a few other applications, but maybe a bit as a structured overview, what are the types of projects the TRIQBRIQ system is frequently used for?", "end": 1324.0 }, { "start": 1324.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yeah. Maybe one more point about your question before, because especially thinking about the private customers, if you have a extension in the backyard of a building row or maybe on top of the first row of the buildings, you always have neighbors. If you live there as a private person, construction site is always something that annoys your neighbors.", "end": 1344.0 }, { "start": 1344.0, "text": "And I think we all want to have a good relationship with our neighbors. Especially in Germany, sometimes a difficult topic. And if you have a timber construction site, Dirk, corre- correct me if I'm wrong, but I would say, especially I'm highlighting the fact that how fast it goes and how silent a timber construction can be compared to a mineral construction site. I think in the end of the construction, you'll have a better relationship with your neighbors than with conventional construction systems. But now your question was about other scenarios where you can also use TRIQBRIQ, right?", "end": 1374.0 }, { "start": 1374.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Exactly. Yeah.", "end": 1377.0 }, { "start": 1377.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yeah, basically everything that you can imagine, maybe except of big skyscrapers and tunnels, where timber obviously doesn't make that much sense, resource-wise especially. We have, we have done really cool projects.", "end": 1391.0 }, { "start": 1391.0, "text": "For example, an EDEKA that has been built already. 11,000 of our bricks have been used to build that EDEKA. So the whole EDEKA is made out of our system, which makes it deconstructable, which I think, especially in the retail sector, is a really interesting point. Yeah.", "end": 1408.0 }, { "start": 1408.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: For, for the other liste- for the international listeners, EDEKA is a large supermarket chain. Yeah.", "end": 1413.0 }, { "start": 1413.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yeah, one of the most known ones, I would say. We can already see that other chains like Netto, for example, which, which is the discounter version of EDEKA, already made an extension to one of its markets in Fulda, yeah. Which is really interesting because they didn't have to close down the store for that extension.", "end": 1433.0 }, { "start": 1433.0, "text": "Two thousand six hundred bricks have been used to build that extension, and I think the project's already finished too. We have some other projects coming up in the retail sector as well. However, even though I find it really interesting, especially looking at the circularity point of view, because of the shorter lifespans of the buildings, our most, how would you say? Yeah, most focused sector definitely would be housing, because we also see that we have a huge housing problem in Germany, which means we have to build way more houses to offer living space to everyone. However, the problem is that if we continue building houses like we do, we have a huge ecological problem.", "end": 1472.0 }, { "start": 1472.0, "text": "So we need solutions like TRIQBRIQ to offer way more housing space for people, but at the same time stay within the planetary limits that we have on planet Earth, right? I think one really, really cool project that I could highlight is with Raab Construction Company in the north of Bamberg.", "end": 1490.0 }, { "start": 1490.0, "text": "It's supported by the German government, massively, I have to say. It's a project where we built in total 24 flats. 12 out of those 24 flats, which corresponds to six houses, are made with our TRIQBRIQ system. And the other ones are made with, well, clay bricks.", "end": 1513.0 }, { "start": 1513.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Clay bricks, yes.", "end": 1514.0 }, { "start": 1514.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: The other ones are made with clay bricks, and then we also have hemp bricks. And everything is", "end": 1521.0 }, { "start": 1521.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Cool.", "end": 1521.0 }, { "start": 1521.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: with straw, which I think is really cool. We don't have a concrete foundation. We have, like, big screws that are actually being screwed into the ground, and then you have a massive timber plate sitting on top of it, so you don't harm the ground that much. It's a really sustainable project. And it was amazing. I was on the construction sites. All the raw construction TRIQBRIQ buildings are already done, and one building is always two flats with two stories, and one building with two stories and two flats is finished, the raw construction, in two days. It's amazing. The, the, the Polier, the main construction guy who was on the construction site, I ta- talked to him and I told him, \"Hey, how was it building with TRIQBRIQ?\" And he told me, \"Hey, I'm on construction sites for 25 years now. I've never seen a raw construction being erected that fast.\" Said it's like— it's double as fast as he normally does it.", "end": 1572.0 }, { "start": 1572.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Wonderful. Wonderful. Yeah.", "end": 1574.0 }, { "start": 1574.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: was to see. Check out our Instagram. You can see all the videos about the construction site.", "end": 1579.0 }, { "start": 1579.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Yeah, we will add the link to it to the show notes.", "end": 1581.0 }, { "start": 1581.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Can I add one last point? Because I think it's really important to mention, because for— especially, I only talked about the good things that worked great. In this scenario, in this project, especially thanks to the planning of Dirk, it was like that. But we have to see that if we want to make the Bauwende really happen, it's really, really important that planners like Dirk, but also the statical planners and all the people, the construction companies, everyone involved, they have to have the same goal in mind, and they have to be willing to leave their common well-known paths and explore new paths, for example, to use TRIQBRIQ, but also many other systems that are out there.", "end": 1618.0 }, { "start": 1618.0, "text": "It's not advertisement for us. It's just the, the, the call that if all the partners involved don't work together, it won't be that great. So it's really important for everyone listening to look into your own little heart, make the decision, \"Hey, I sometimes have to leave my well-known part and do it like Dirk,\" and then you will end up with an amazing project, and actually also as an entrepreneur with new cool possibilities.", "end": 1643.0 }, { "start": 1643.0, "text": "But you have to be willing to actually change your mind a little bit and think around the corner. It's really important.", "end": 1649.0 }, { "start": 1649.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Yeah, definitely. So change is not always about the others, but also about everyone and yourself, so to say. Yeah. For highlighting that.", "end": 1658.0 }, { "start": 1658.0, "text": "Lewin, these are many awesome examples, and I know, I mean, you gave German examples, but you're already w- working abroad. So how can people support you these days?", "end": 1669.0 }, { "start": 1669.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Yeah, uh, it's great, uh, that we are actually able to scale our system. TRIQBRIQ Austria has already been, uh, founded. We have a fully automated machine now to produce those bricks, but obviously those are, uh, money-intensive topics, so we're still looking for investors to actually, um, support us in our goal of scaling our system worldwide.", "end": 1690.0 }, { "start": 1690.0, "text": "Um, feel free to contact us.", "end": 1693.0 }, { "start": 1693.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: Thanks, Lewin. I, I feel you could go on forever, and this is great. I mean, I love the TRIQBRIQ system, and it's also great that you can put it to so many use cases, as we discussed, especially, of course, here with the rooftop. Guys, again.", "end": 1707.0 }, { "start": 1707.0, "text": "Thanks especially for your work for pushing innovation forward and bringing that into the construction space that is normally known to be pretty conservative and, and slow, but you prove the critics wrong. Yeah, so, a great project. Thanks for sharing your experience here.", "end": 1725.0 }, { "start": 1725.0, "text": "Once again, thanks, Lewin. Thanks, Dirk.", "end": 1730.0 }, { "start": 1730.0, "text": "Dirk Hengst: Thank you. Bye-bye.", "end": 1731.0 }, { "start": 1731.0, "text": "Lewin Fricke: Bye.", "end": 1735.0 }, { "start": 1735.0, "text": "Patrick Hypscher: That was the second episode of our series, Rooftop Extension. Thanks to Dirk Hengst and Lewin Fricke for taking us onto that roof in Dresden. In the next and final episode, we zoom back out. Kilian Eckle from RoofUz has looked at what stops housing companies from building on top, and what it takes to do this in series rather than one project at a time. Timo Walraven joins him with the data side, reading a whole city's roofs before anyone draws a plan. Until then, all the best in driving a profitable circular economy. And please don't forget, the most abundant renewable resource is your imagination.", "end": 1778.0 }, { "start": 1778.0, "text": "Jingle: My name is Patrick Hypscher, and this is circularity.fm, the podcast about understanding, building, and managing circular business models.", "end": 1803.859 } ]