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    "text": "From five-G networks to aerospace"
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    "text": "systems,"
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    "text": "artificial intelligence to quantum technologies."
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    "text": "From behind the scenes of innovations... ...to real world applications."
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    "text": "Welcome to Innovations Unplugged!"
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    "text": "The Rode & Schwarz Technology Podcast."
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    "text": "Let's start with a fact."
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    "text": "The world we live in depends on wireless connectivity, five-g mobile communication enables crystal clear video and real time collaboration With your colleague even in a crowded urban coffee shop."
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    "text": "You use GPS to navigate And it can even reroute you around the sudden road closure or accident."
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    "start": 49.59,
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    "text": "Remote controls steer your kids toys and drones alike."
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    "text": "Air traffic control helps planes don't crash."
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    "text": "Welcome to the world of the radio spectrum, The invisible highway of modern life!"
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    "text": "Today we dive into how Roder and Schwarz technology quietly safeguards our society from ensuring seamless mobile networks To countering drones."
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    "text": "We meet two Roder & Schwarz experts who are redefining security in a connected"
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    "text": "Hello my name is Markus"
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    "text": "Halla and I'm Inga Müller-Sientop, happy to host this show."
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    "text": "And i am even more than happy to welcome Ronny Stiffel as our guest today a senior system engineer at Rode & Schwarz!"
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    "text": "Ronny is a spectrum monitoring and counter drone tech expert who's helped make the radio frequency spectrum more secure kind of everywhere even at Formula One races."
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    "text": "Ronny, thank you so much for joining us!"
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    "start": 115.41,
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    "text": "Hello happy to be here."
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    "text": "When we talk about radio spectrum what do we mean by that?"
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    "text": "and why should every one of us care?"
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    "text": "So imagine the radio spectrum as an invisible highway around or in this sky."
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    "text": "You have wireless communications mobile phones Wi-Fi routers, computers daily appliances in your kitchen and you're home."
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    "text": "Your TV And more or less every device that communicates without any attached cable."
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    "text": "So all those devices are working in the radio frequencies spectrum."
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    "text": "so The spectrum is full and it gets more crowded."
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    "text": "So, the frequency band gets more and more crowded."
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    "text": "And we have to make sure that everybody follows the rules so that we have a seamless connection... ...and good connections for all of us."
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    "text": "Just to make this clear you mentioned it is super important That the spectrum, the radiofrequency spectrum Is regulated."
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    "text": "It's just A simple kind of fact that isn't necessary to make the devices communicate, right?"
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    "text": "So they have the same spectrum to use and the same frequency bands for example."
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    "text": "we need those regulations in the spectrum because a lot of certain types of devices and authorities have to make sure that we do not have chaos uh...in this spectrum with all those IoT devices Bluetooth devices and so on."
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    "text": "Allright!"
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    "text": "They are transmitting data on certain frequencies and these frequency bands are crowded."
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    "text": "to give us a better idea about it, I know you have very nice example including washing machine next to an airport."
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    "text": "Every Saturday in the time between nine o'clock in the morning and two o' clock in the afternoon, there were interferences uh...in their systems."
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    "text": "um..they didn't have any clue what I come from And this was for airport a dangerous situation because air traffic is affected by these interferences."
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    "text": "When we talk about interferences at airports it could be critical or risky Because There are so much other signals that should not be interfered, right?"
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "text": "An airport has a lot of wireless communications between the airplanes in the sky on ground and air traffic control itself."
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    "text": "but also on the ground there are certain wireless communication systems And so this is then strict controlled and every interference leads to risky situations or could lead to risky situation."
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    "text": "So they have to make sure that there are no interferences at all, the colleagues arrived in Amsterdam on a certain time of Saturday between nine o'clock in the afternoon They saw their interferences on the road and Schwartz devices quite big building with a lot of flats."
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    "text": "Surprised man who was washing his clothes in this time!"
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    "text": "For interference it was a defective washing machine."
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    "text": "so electric motor in the washing machine... ...was broken little bit and created there very strong electric interference."
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    "text": "And this interference then led to problems on the Amsterdam Schiphol Airport."
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    "text": "I think a very nice example that shows every one of us is just one broken washing machine away from getting in touch with the radio spectrum, right?"
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    "text": "To find these interferences by accident as it was an example for the airport... ...to find them!"
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    "text": "This is the discipline of Spectrum Monitoring IV."
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    "text": "Ronny can you explain those little bit?"
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    "text": "How does this work?"
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    "text": "So we have a wide range of very sensitive antennas, especially designed and created for spectrum monitoring to cover the spectrum in a designated frequency bandwidth."
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    "text": "The antenna is listening into the spectrum And then on those antennas are tuners connected or receivers connected."
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    "text": "And since we would like to talk about countering drones, now you have to give us connection between spectrum monitoring and countered drones."
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    "text": "how do they match?"
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    "text": "Countering drones or detecting drones in the RF spectrum is kind of a part and the spectrum monitoring area."
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    "text": "So countering drones evolved from spectral monitoring because when I want to look after a drone, um... ...I look with our devices and software on this certain frequency band for specific profile of the drone."
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    "text": "The radiofrequency technology is far from new."
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    "text": "So we see this is what's happening in general, in spectrum monitoring the highways getting more and more dense What's happening with drones?"
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    "text": "So the drones is a phenomenon that we have since roughly ten, fifteen years at beginning."
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    "text": "Then ten years ago... ...we saw first issues with those drones that not everybody just taking pictures of the drone, but using it as a kind-of weapon."
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    "text": "Not only did you put an explosive or an ordnance below a drone in conflict area... ...but also imagine prison!"
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    "text": "where the people working at a prison had then huge problems because small drones were used to smuggle drugs and weapons in those"
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    "text": "But when we focus on spectrum, spectrum monitoring again radio frequency steered drones may endanger the spectrum itself Because it's using it to steer just to control"
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    "text": "Exactly, and so this is the reason we have since several years."
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    "text": "The Rude & Schwarz Adronis Product Suite can see not only that there is a drone but also the direction And if you have more than one of our systems We can also pinpoint with mathematical triangulation... ...the position of the drone Not only the position on the drone But also the position off the drone operator."
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    "text": "To better understand the scale, let's take a closer look at this Formula One story."
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    "text": "The scenario of such an event illustrates how these challenges manifest when large crowds and advanced technology converge in one location or place?"
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    "text": "Can you take us with you!"
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    "text": "So this event was quite huge for The Netherlands and especially For the Dutch police because it was the first formula one race after thirty three years In The Netherlands And also given that Max Verstappen is a hero in The Netherlands there were lot of things to prepare."
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    "text": "And also you have the medical emergency helicopter and we had done to make sure together with the Dutch police that no drone was flying in this area, to endanger those helicopters and the racers."
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    "text": "The police had two of their own drones in the sky To have a kind of crowd control to see eighty five thousand guests arriving... ...the whole city was crowded and also this area And so the police use their own drones to make sure that everything goes to plan."
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    "text": "But also we detect a lot of drones not allowed to fly there, mostly tourists taking just pictures from the racetrack but they were not aware that it may endanger the helicopter flight path... ...but also the race itself."
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    "text": "Okay, again when we have a close look at this kind of circus what is happening there?"
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    "text": "We do have crowds who just have their mobiles with them right so they want to be connected which might be bit complicated."
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    "text": "Again, back to spectrum... should also be not in the spectrum right?"
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    "text": "In the radiofrequency spectrum."
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    "text": "what is happening there at Formula One, this also happens in the big scale countries."
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    "text": "um, The challenge in countering drones and detecting drones is first of all You must see that wrong."
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    "text": "So if it's a radio Frequency operated on not an autonomous one with our F detector we can see the drone."
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    "text": "Depending on the scenario, we are also able to block these drones so that they stop."
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    "text": "That depends on their authority."
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    "text": "Normally We're not allowed To jam or to block a drone in public area."
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    "text": "So when you talk about The evolution of Drone technology One term You already mentioned is When Drones Become More and more Autonomous."
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    "text": "They are pre-programmed and normally you can fly them starting with the computer without a remote control And they follow programmed GPS waypoints And if they have to fly in a GPS-denied area, for example in the war zone."
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    "text": "to fiber optics cable."
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    "text": "it's very thin but long and gets the control signals directly then over those fiber cables."
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    "text": "this quite dangerous because we do not get any signal on them."
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    "text": "So the approach then to detect those drones is to use a radar because every drone has its propellers and those propellers create certain small chaos in frequency band."
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    "text": "And with the micro Doppler and you see a specific signature in this spectrum that's designated to a drone."
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    "text": "Okay,"
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    "text": "micro Dopplers it just reminds me That we had the last episode Covered with five D which we collaborate With at Rode & Schwarz experts in radar simulation software."
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    "start": 1024.609,
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    "text": "And they have quite some information and quite some learnings to listen about all things radar tech, and radar simulations."
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    "start": 1034.329,
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    "text": "so feel free to tune into the latest episode."
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    "text": "We're coming closer with Tomf which is a global laser expert."
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    "text": "fill us in."
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    "text": "How does that work?"
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    "text": "Why does it technologically make sense for Roder & Schwarz and Trump to collaborate countering"
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    "text": "Because with the help of Drumpf, we are developing a laser system and a counter-USS system within integrated lasers."
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    "text": "this is able to stop those dark drones because as I mentioned earlier Our F-Gemma and GPS Gemma doesn't work on those dark drones, so we need a kind of effector that is able to stop these drones."
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    "text": "That makes you stay in this field and being happy about what comes next."
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    "text": "This area is a high-tech area, its fast developing areas And I have the chance to work on solutions with professionals With top notch hardware and to protect the skies."
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    "text": "And especially in a counter drone area, systems that we are developing."
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    "text": "they're just there to protect lives!"
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    "start": 1468.35,
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    "text": "Thanks Ronny very much and I promise you next time i do phone call or i will do my laundry...i'll definitely think about you."
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    "text": "thanks for all this great insights."
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    "text": "thankyou for being here."
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    "text": "Thank you for joining Ronnie, whoever might be interested in some more stuff"
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    "text": "We will definitely give you some More information there to learn even more about what we talked today."
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    "text": "and Yeah, we are very happy if you join us next time."
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