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    "text": "Welcome to Software Testing Unleashed, the podcast for testers developers and test automation engineers."
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    "text": "And all the people in the software development process who want to create great amazing quality software."
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    "start": 12.64,
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    "text": "my today's episode was recorded at Testvorus a Great testing conference In Poland."
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    "text": "The days were full packed with great quality content."
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    "text": "I had a great time discussing and chatting With Polish and international software community."
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    "text": "If you haven't been here should definitely go to one of the next Test Warriors conferences."
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    "text": "You find a link in the show notes."
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    "text": "My guest today is Maciej Kusch, he was the program chair in this year and has about nearly twenty years of experience in testing, and test automation."
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    "text": "And that's also part our talk today – we talked about Playwright!"
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    "text": "Especially why it is sometimes better not to use TypeScript but to playwright with Python or other programming languages?"
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    "text": "Now enjoy the episode."
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    "text": "Hi, Maciej."
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    "text": "Great to have you in the show here!"
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    "text": "Nice to have also your here and thank-you for the invitation."
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    "text": "Yeah"
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    "text": "it's great to hear that You're a very well known person here at the organisation and doing the programme."
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    "text": "Try"
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    "text": "This year I'm head of the programme committee for the test virus conference."
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    "text": "previous years I was also part of the program committee for other conferences which were called Consolennium."
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    "text": "This year they do rebranding, this is TADA from...this year."
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    "text": "so i kind know how to organize it through perspective on the program community and I'm a creator at the meetup in Silesia area."
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    "text": "So yeah, I know a little bit about that and i'm also very active in commenting others people materials on the online."
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    "text": "And so we have big let's say community test of your program, which is translatable."
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    "text": "last software testing."
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    "text": "so it's very huge community."
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    "text": "and yeah whenever somebody ask question I know how to answer."
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    "text": "So a lot Of People Knows Me Yeah?"
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    "text": "good connector to everyone here."
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    "text": "And I saw in the agenda of the program, your talk was about playwright and debunking some myths about it that audits is a great topic to put into their podcast too because playwrights are now very popular."
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    "text": "It has some benefits, of course but are also able to use that framework Also in Python."
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    "text": "Okay, so for me, Python is a little bit better language for testers."
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    "text": "when we go through the playwright part is there's a lack of documentation."
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    "text": "maybe not like but it's on another place with Python."
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    "text": "but also some aspects regarding mobile version testing of the application under the tests possible to be tested in TypeScript version, but are not in Python."
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    "text": "so it's I think easier work on a longer way than to re-learn things for TypeScript also?"
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    "text": "So yeah again some... You need to have some additional knowledge and skills about Python & How To Use Types in Python."
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    "text": "To be honest, I didn't consider that even."
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    "text": "Nowadays there are a lot of things AI can translate from one language to another."
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    "text": "so if you're looking at some answers and find the answer in TypeScript there is chat."
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    "text": "GPT translated into Python because the code is very similar will just work."
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    "text": "You don't have to look for that community, and I think simply you don't need to look."
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    "text": "So we can"
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    "text": "just go through the sensitivity and use it?"
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    "text": "One question may be one level above because your aware of test automation stuff so well."
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    "text": "Why is Playwrights so successful nowadays?"
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    "text": "When I see the former times we used selenium or cypress and a lot of people are going away from Selenium and Cypress to playwright."
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    "text": "I think there's few aspects behind this situation."
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    "text": "First of all, Selenum."
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    "text": "it very hard to maintain stable test because of weights."
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    "text": "Solves that out of the box."
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    "text": "So you don't have to build a lot off your own creation solution for waiting For the element to be in specific state like you are doing that in selenium and so on."
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    "text": "this is one aspect, so stable tests Are easier too?"
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    "text": "To be achieved in playwright down it was in Selenium."
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    "text": "second aspect could be tooling because in clay right you have the scout gen In ancient history of Selenium."
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    "text": "you have this selenium IDE that allows to achieve almost the same but it wasn't supported, a lot people didn't use and so on."
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    "text": "Codegen can speed up creation very well."
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    "text": "So I think those are two aspects of it also."
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    "text": "In Playwright, it works a little bit different because if you install Playwright in specific version."
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    "text": "It has some cons Because you're not able to test your application against Specific version of the Web Browser So its'a little harder."
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    "text": "Because of that, it's simpler to start again."
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    "text": "So I think those three aspects are the main reason that Playwright is gaining so much traction nowadays."
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    "start": 1181.04,
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    "text": "Yeah yeah That what i see you at my clients too because they're all dealing now with how To get to playwright and like their easy support."
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    "text": "And"
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    "text": "also playwright nowadays has this mcp integration for kind of AI addition for the testing and so on."
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    "text": "So this is something that's starting, not... I think with AI part in testing it still to be stabilized let say?"
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    "text": "Not only in player but in general."
  },
  {
    "start": 1214.4,
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    "text": "what is another topic for other discussion!"
  },
  {
    "start": 1217.68,
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    "text": "Yeah yeah also a huge topic here."
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  {
    "start": 1220.56,
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    "text": "Maciej Thank you very much for being here in the show and to share your insights."
  },
  {
    "start": 1226.9,
    "end": 1231.64,
    "text": "For comparison, not just use TypeScript but also Python for playwright."
  },
  {
    "start": 1231.84,
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    "text": "I think that could inspire some of the python knowledge people."
  },
  {
    "start": 1237.66,
    "end": 1243.22,
    "text": "maybe take a look at this too To make progress there with test automation."
  },
  {
    "start": 1244.2,
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    "text": "It would be good."
  },
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    "end": 1247.98,
    "text": "if we want it Consider and try it."
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    "start": 1248.22,
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    "text": "Yeah,"
  },
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    "start": 1248.6,
    "end": 1248.84,
    "text": "yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 1249.16,
    "end": 1250.06,
    "text": "So thank you very much."
  },
  {
    "start": 1250.16,
    "end": 1252.94,
    "text": "We will put your contact details also in the show notes."
  },
  {
    "start": 1253.02,
    "end": 1257.06,
    "text": "Maybe someone we'll get in touch with you And ask some questions or you?"
  },
  {
    "start": 1257.44,
    "end": 1257.74,
    "text": "Yeah"
  },
  {
    "start": 1257.78,
    "end": 1258.1,
    "text": "who was he?"
  },
  {
    "start": 1258.86,
    "end": 1260.58,
    "text": "Thank You very much for the invitation again."
  },
  {
    "start": 1260.8,
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    "text": "Yes,"
  },
  {
    "start": 1261.08,
    "end": 1261.58,
    "text": "thank you too"
  },
  {
    "start": 1262.48,
    "end": 1263.82,
    "text": "bye-bye."
  }
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