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    "text": "Welcome to Software Testing Unleashed."
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    "text": "My name is Richie and I have another episode"
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    "text": "from the Istanbul Software Testing Conference 2026."
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    "text": "My guest was founder and organizer"
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    "text": "how the conference grew from a risky first edition"
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    "text": "what speakers can expect from Turkish hospitality"
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    "text": "and how he wants to connect the testers of Europe and Asia."
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    "text": "All that you'll find in this episode."
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    "text": "And now,"
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    "start": 72.42,
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    "text": "enjoy."
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    "text": "Hi,"
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    "start": 83.46,
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    "text": "Okan, great to have you on the show here."
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    "start": 85.24,
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    "text": "Hi Richie,"
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    "text": "and I'm really happy to see you the second time in the ISTC Istanbul Software Testing Conference."
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    "start": 95.36,
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    "text": "And I'm so happy you are here the second time."
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    "start": 98.46,
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    "text": "Yeah,"
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    "start": 98.92,
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    "text": "me too."
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    "start": 100.2,
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    "text": "And I'm also very glad that you are recording your podcasts in our conference."
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    "start": 106.28,
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    "text": "Yeah, I think it's a great value because you have a very good selection of speakers,"
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    "start": 112.22,
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    "text": "and me."
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    "text": "So I'm happy to be here in this conference."
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    "start": 126.02,
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    "text": "Thank you so much for being with us."
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    "start": 129.36,
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    "text": "And so we are just ended our third edition,"
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    "text": "ISTC 2026."
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    "text": "and according to the feedbacks from the participants, of course we will go in"
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    "text": "I'm quite"
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    "text": "yeah I think."
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    "text": "Yeah."
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    "start": 159.12,
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    "text": "That's a great idea too."
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    "start": 190.04,
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    "text": "So how did you start?"
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    "text": "How was the..."
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    "text": "And it takes a lot of effort and we were ready to put it."
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    "text": "That's a very good point,"
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    "start": 697.24,
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    "text": "this is our third edition."
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    "start": 752.46,
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    "text": "yeah, oh that's so great."
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    "start": 754.76,
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    "start": 755.46,
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    "text": "according to my experience,"
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    "start": 788.48,
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    "text": "people are more confident maybe because of the English or also it's also the"
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    "start": 848.7,
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    "start": 850.56,
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    "start": 851.18,
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    "text": "I realized that last year that when you ask questions,"
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    "start": 854.74,
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    "start": 857.12,
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    "start": 861.84,
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    "start": 863.78,
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    "start": 866.36,
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    "start": 867.64,
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    "text": "It was an improv. They were all doing that and they had fun."
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    "start": 871.92,
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    "text": "That was most important."
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    "start": 874.3,
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    "text": "Okan, do you have anything in mind what you say,"
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  {
    "start": 877.88,
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    "text": "this is one thing I want to achieve with"
  },
  {
    "start": 880.12,
    "end": 882.1,
    "text": "the Istanbul Software Testing Conference?"
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    "start": 882.88,
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    "text": "I would see Istanbul Software Testing Conference in the future,"
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  {
    "start": 892.82,
    "end": 895.14,
    "text": "an established conference that"
  },
  {
    "start": 895.0,
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    "text": "is known internationally,"
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    "text": "not just in Turkey and around,"
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  {
    "start": 900.36,
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    "text": "in European countries and Eastern"
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  {
    "start": 907.44,
    "end": 907.84,
    "text": "countries,"
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    "start": 908.06,
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    "text": "Asian countries."
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  {
    "start": 910.36,
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    "text": "And this is the main attraction of the testers because as I told you, we are connecting two"
  },
  {
    "start": 916.54,
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    "text": "continents."
  },
  {
    "start": 917.22,
    "end": 917.36,
    "text": "Yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 917.39,
    "end": 922.3,
    "text": "So we can connect the testers of the Europe and the Asia."
  },
  {
    "start": 923.0,
    "end": 926.82,
    "text": "That's my vision for the Istanbul Software Testing Conference."
  },
  {
    "start": 927.16,
    "end": 927.32,
    "text": "Oh,"
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  {
    "start": 927.5,
    "end": 928.76,
    "text": "that's a great vision, I think."
  },
  {
    "start": 929.32,
    "end": 931.88,
    "text": "So I hope you will achieve that."
  },
  {
    "start": 932.86,
    "end": 937.68,
    "text": "Maybe this podcast can put a little bit into it to make it more aware, to make speakers"
  },
  {
    "start": 937.74,
    "end": 942.02,
    "text": "interested for the call for papers and to people to participate in the next edition too."
  },
  {
    "start": 942.3,
    "end": 946.52,
    "text": "I'm sure that your podcast will have an effect on it."
  },
  {
    "start": 946.8,
    "end": 950.5,
    "text": "And I'm a big fan of your podcast."
  },
  {
    "start": 950.74,
    "end": 951.02,
    "text": "Thank you."
  },
  {
    "start": 951.88,
    "end": 952.88,
    "text": "Good to hear."
  },
  {
    "start": 953.14,
    "end": 954.14,
    "text": "Thank you so much, Okan."
  },
  {
    "start": 954.4,
    "end": 960.92,
    "text": "Thank you that you are hosting this great conference and that you have the time here for the podcast episode too."
  },
  {
    "start": 961.22,
    "end": 965.4,
    "text": "Thank you so much for being part of our journey."
  },
  {
    "start": 965.88,
    "end": 969.12,
    "text": "Second time. And I would love to see you again."
  },
  {
    "start": 969.72,
    "end": 971.22,
    "text": "Hopefully that works."
  },
  {
    "start": 971.66,
    "end": 973.5,
    "text": "Thank you so much and have a great day."
  },
  {
    "start": 973.63,
    "end": 974.02,
    "text": "You too."
  },
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    "start": 974.02,
    "end": 976.16,
    "text": "[MUSIC]"
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