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    "text": "Welcome to Software Testing Unleashed!"
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    "text": "The podcast for testers, developers and test automation engineers."
  },
  {
    "start": 7.62,
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    "text": "And all the people in the software development process who want create great amazing quality software."
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    "start": 13.84,
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    "text": "My today's episode was recorded at Testvorus A great testing conference in Poland."
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    "start": 19.82,
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    "text": "The days were full packed with great quality content and I had a great time discussing and chatting with the Polish and international software test community."
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    "text": "If you haven't been here, You should definitely go to one of next Test Warriors conferences!"
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    "text": "My guest today is Bartek Czernick-Skolowski."
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    "start": 41.28,
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    "text": "He's a penetration testing and cyber security audit expert, And we talked about mobile security especially the evolution of mobile security through eyes of a pentester."
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    "start": 52.94,
    "end": 56.66,
    "text": "What changed in last twenty years when you think of security?"
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    "start": 58.5,
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    "text": "Enjoy this episode!"
  },
  {
    "start": 77.36,
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    "text": "really honored about."
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  {
    "start": 79.24,
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    "text": "this is my first time in such thing like podcasts or even recording the interviewer, how we called it."
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    "start": 90.96,
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    "text": "Yeah great so sometimes you have to be there for an interview and now I'm starting... Especially"
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    "start": 97.1,
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    "text": "in English."
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    "start": 98.04,
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    "text": "that was my biggest issue when i was thinking Should I say yes or no, like when Gregorz text to me if you want to join your podcast."
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    "start": 111.04,
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    "text": "We don't have that."
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    "start": 111.8,
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    "text": "we don't think about it because the people are also hearing my English and so they're still joining the podcast."
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    "start": 119.12,
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    "text": "Actually i was at lecture in morning today About speaking english And gave a kick But to not be shy and even when everyone makes mistakes, especially in the podcast."
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    "start": 140.6,
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    "text": "didn't pay attention to things like that."
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    "start": 146.48,
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    "text": "And now you're here, so motivated to speak English!"
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    "start": 150.9,
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    "text": "I read your abstract up front for the Test Warriors conference and it reminded me of my first mobile phone because we wrote about Nokia."
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    "start": 170.68,
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    "text": "We say in Polish."
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    "start": 171.62,
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    "text": "I"
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    "start": 174.12,
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    "text": "can't remember the former times how we sped it correctly, but"
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    "text": "just an example of iconic unbreakable"
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    "text": "where the better still works today!"
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    "start": 187.82,
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    "text": "One of my first slides on presentation is something about that."
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    "text": "phones back then in the past, like... The only thing that your phone should do is standard battery for seven days and serve as a thing."
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    "text": "you can replace the bricks."
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    "start": 211.22,
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    "text": "Yeah!"
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    "start": 212.42,
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    "text": "That's true."
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    "start": 213.08,
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    "text": "so we are directly into this topic because Evolution of security importance from the old phones to the phones we have now."
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    "start": 226.56,
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    "text": "Yeah, yeah actually not only phones because it's like that topic but all their mobility whole topic Because mobile security is not only about phones But also in my presentation I will talk something that also about evolution of the, you know from analogic like the analog networks."
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    "start": 255.56,
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    "text": "Like advanced mobile system in America United States to three G four G five g yeah everything and also something about users because it's not only about mobile apps and mobile phones."
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    "start": 272.219,
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    "text": "I think especially"
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    "text": "Yeah, and we merged a lot of other gadgets into our phones so over time."
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    "text": "So in former times it just was phone And now it's a completely ecosystem of different things."
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    "text": "Yeah, that's true."
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    "start": 289.32,
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    "text": "Now It is actually computer."
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    "start": 292.799,
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    "text": "So but you know My colleague always said the biggest problem with all IT stuff Is sitting between monitor and keyboard."
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    "text": "When we see security point of view, what do you see in this evolution from former times to now?"
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    "start": 321.739,
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    "text": "What gets more important at the war where should we focus and..."
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    "start": 328.34,
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    "text": "When I was doing like this presentation it shows me actually that We have take all these old phones could only like use for the phone calls and everything to this stuff, because people back then made those mistakes."
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    "start": 353.299,
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    "text": "And they actually did that... Now we can learn from them their mistakes."
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    "text": "They've done it all."
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    "text": "We just, maybe I was like lost a little bit there."
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    "start": 379.76,
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    "text": "But what were the questions?"
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    "text": "What evolved in security concerns from the formal times to now?"
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    "text": "so you said we can learn from that."
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    "start": 389.2,
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    "text": "So what can be learned here?"
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    "start": 391.14,
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    "text": "Maybe because my thing is free categories or something in the, when we talk about this security."
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    "start": 401.539,
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    "text": "So to focus on every category."
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    "text": "so for example that mobile networks yeah?"
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    "text": "Back then there was an analog like system and you could eardrop all communication than only thing."
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    "text": "The device was near to this phone and you could listen every conversation."
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    "text": "because there is no cryptography, the calls were not encrypted."
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    "text": "Today we have... This topic We have in the five G and LTA, we have ciphers."
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    "text": "When we talk about people for example back in the eighties or nineties there was a group of people like they were called phone freaks so it was using special tone to call the telephone exchange back in then."
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    "text": "There were machines like that and they used special frequencies to tell this telephone exchange, for example."
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    "text": "They forced it to make free calls because they were able to tell these exchanges that actually are talking about it."
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    "start": 513.74,
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    "text": "now my conversation is over."
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    "text": "And all the system."
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    "text": "AT&T, for example was thinking that this call is ending and now their line is free."
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    "text": "which was very expensive at former times"
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    "text": "Mobile apps."
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    "text": "back in days We were starting from the, for example very first iPhone or something."
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    "start": 572.42,
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    "text": "like you know... For example on Android in the Android system, you can force some app to tell you information from your attacker apps."
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    "text": "You have an app and then you can tell another app send sensitive information."
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    "start": 595.339,
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    "text": "so we need to learn how to secure those informations can do or what we, like we cant just exposed for example."
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    "text": "We cant put sensitive information in push notification and actually this is something fresh that will end because push notifications are also the new thing on smartphones."
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    "text": "so I think Till to in the year that was put on this topic, for example US governments were asking Android or iPhone to send them some information about push notifications."
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    "text": "metadata, so you know that's something everyone was thinking about."
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    "text": "There is no sensitive information there."
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    "start": 667.199,
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    "text": "but actually they were like yeah... So we're still learning."
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    "start": 673.439,
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    "text": "and from the very first phone when I started to learn it then we are making mistakes."
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    "text": "Yeah try to fix this."
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    "start": 686.959,
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    "text": "and another thing yeah"
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    "text": "what do you think is today's when we see the two-day ecosystem with iPhone Android?"
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    "text": "but actually that isn't true today."
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    "text": "It's for another conversation."
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    "text": "For example, in Android it is much easier to put malicious app into the Play Store because the ecosystem is more open and it's easier to force users to install this malware application Because on Android you can just take APK like the file of the application And install it on Android."
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    "text": "I can speak more like that."
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    "text": "Yeah,"
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    "text": "it's very interesting because we are insurance"
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    "text": "now they have plans to give you the special price of your car when a good driver is and how do they know if he knows so?"
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    "text": "so it's another issue and I think that the something that should be changed, because they want to monitor your sensors."
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    "text": "And they will know if you very often use your brakes for example in an unsecure way or if you are speeding of something so... They're trying to monitor us and this is also like today's topic issue."
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    "text": "And I think that all the line, like where is there a line between usability and abusing."
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    "text": "In ten years with your first iPhone or something You are buying phone Like, yeah."
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    "text": "Sometimes it scares me!"
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    "text": "So we try to deal with it and do best that we can... I don't know… To know there's a practice like that And trying to fight against it?"
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    "text": "I don' t even know."
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    "text": "Like..to be aware of it?"
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    "text": "And some points of that we can also decide to give the app permission or not, so..."
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    "text": "Yeah because you know like some permissions and this is connected with all stuff which was talked about earlier social engineering and the psychology of creating apps, because not only they are demanding for example some permissions that don't need to properly work properly."
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    "text": "So for example I need to do...I need a lighter."
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    "text": "Yeah so i will accept those everything that they said and even not write it because its long and uh-everything here."
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    "text": "I think convenience is big issue there as we..i think when you see our messaging system everyone uses WhatsApp."
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    "text": "And attackers like the people creating malware apps and everything they know what apps we are working with or using."
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    "text": "And this always... There's something called The Permission To Work On Another App So They Can like have a layer on the app that is at top of your screen."
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    "text": "What's the problem here?"
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    "text": "For example, you have Facebook and Facebook App... of this login, like the email and password boxes always in the same place."
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    "text": "so when you create an app to put a layer... You think it's providing your email or password into Facebook?"
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    "text": "Actually we are putting these credentials placed in the same place as correct logging."
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    "text": "And then my credentials are gone!"
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    "text": "This is not only Facebook, but banking up and everything..."
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    "text": "Now you did mention before iOS that I'm using iOS because i feel totally secure."
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    "text": "Am I secure?"
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    "text": "I think, yeah."
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    "text": "We are really secure when we know what the techniques attackers like using and everything."
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    "text": "so just... The only thing that we don't know is what they are doing with the data."
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    "text": "We're providing all these applications, for example when you use Instagram so maybe your data used to teach some AI and Meta is creating it's kind of an issue related to security When you are aware like of the."
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    "text": "I don't know."
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    "text": "You've not done...you Don't have jailbreak in your iOS or something, you don't Like Download them malicious Potentially malicious app so we don't install it's from the sources that is unknown."
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    "text": "So do you are pretty secure?"
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    "text": "Maybe not that secure if you're a president or something."
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    "text": "because now then new spectrum of the attacks, like just open all the spyware and Pegasus or everything is a thing that you have to think about."
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    "text": "For example me working in some company in Poland."
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    "text": "I'm not very known people interesting person from the perspective of Russian government or something."
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    "text": "But you live in Europe, so now European Union like... they released something called Digital Market Act or something and now you can install the apps on iOS, not only from app stores."
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    "text": "They allowed users of iPhone to use another market..."
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    "text": "Another app store like Outdoor?"
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    "text": "Yeah"
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    "text": "alternative because this is something related to monopolies forced Apple to like allow, yeah."
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    "text": "Maybe yes because maybe those different stores also will be... The apps that are placed there and verified everything."
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    "text": "phones which work nowadays, not in this smartphone area."
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    "text": "I think yes because the two GSM is still working when we have a phone like that."
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    "text": "so it can be used again."
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    "text": "and i heard actually trip in mountains near the Visva."
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    "text": "here I like meet some people on you know path and guy said to me that he thinks more about dropping smartphone."
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    "text": "It can only be used for the calls and everything."
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    "text": "So I think, yeah... If you want to use Just Phone You Can Use it!"
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    "text": "Yeah maybe.. I don't know if we're again a part of convenience And not chatting Not Whatsapp-ing Playing around with stuff."
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    "text": "That's hard!"
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    "text": "Even if you do this, there are still some vectors of attacks that can be the victim."
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    "text": "You know all your droppings like trying to listen to conversation or text messages because I think it should be old phone new created phone."
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    "text": "that is not the smartphone, but I don't know if there's a device like this."
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    "text": "Maybe it is... But i didn't heard of it."
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    "text": "So when you are using old phones You're forced to use the old technology."
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    "text": "yeah you know."
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    "text": "so the for example four g and five g like the mobile con network will not work on it."
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    "text": "So, You have to use that for example GSM with all design mistakes that it has."
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    "text": "Maybe I have one Nokia, an old one in my desk so maybe i will grab it out and try to see if it works?"
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    "text": "Yeah actually because It's also related to country like...I know that for example the GSM is still working but I don't know what this situation looks like in other countries."
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    "text": "And someday they will shut down the old networks, so..."
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    "text": "This is also kind of a issue because You know, we have old people for example."
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    "text": "So this is also an issue that you create a new mobile app but if it comes from Polish government they cannot forget about the old people."
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    "text": "so... They are forced to support all of them older Android versions and everything, yeah?"
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    "text": "And all the technology."
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    "text": "So for example we have five G with better cryptography."
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    "text": "you know For example exchanging information between telecommunication operators in more secure way."
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    "text": "for example All the SIM cards are better secured there."
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    "text": "but You also people that are not using, for example."
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    "start": 1642.12,
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    "text": "Not changing their phone every year but they have the phones that were buying ten years ago or something because this still works and so he's still using it yeah?"
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    "text": "Yeah great!"
  },
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    "text": "I think a real important thing is as you said to be aware of there issues."
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    "text": "what do we have in your pocket here with little computer functionality which can be used or misused."
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    "text": "Yeah, and also because for the citizen like me than you I think that most danger is all those social engineering campaigns."
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    "text": "so they try to get your... Payment data or everything payment card to date a number and everything."
  },
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    "start": 1699.04,
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    "text": "so Or force you to install those malicious up because it's also, you know related too into this market."
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    "text": "There is hold the like that Another like big problem."
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    "text": "It's with creating cloning of the official apps and Creating with some change in it to work differently, but not... It's not always about some malicious actions that is placing this app."
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    "text": "I mean to get advantage of the company, for example take Uber app like taxi or apps."
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    "text": "So there are attackers that...I don't know if attackers they're people."
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    "text": "creating those up for drivers."
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    "text": "That allows drivers change their location For example because When the driver is far away from city center, he could not take those drives."
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    "text": "You want to grab a taxi so you are opening up and it tells that some... Andrzej will be here in five minutes, yeah?"
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    "text": "and you accept him as a driver."
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    "text": "When he accepts it now is like fifteen minutes from"
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    "text": "So they are using it because there's money for them."
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    "text": "He doesn't want to wait for that."
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    "start": 1820.34,
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    "text": "There're also some places in the city For example better paid or something like when you are grabbing a passenger from the city center, it's economically better than from the suburbs."
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    "start": 1844.0,
    "end": 1846.84,
    "text": "That explains some issues that I had with Uber in the past!"
  },
  {
    "start": 1848.6,
    "end": 1852.76,
    "text": "Great, but thank you very much for these insights into security."
  },
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    "start": 1852.84,
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    "text": "I hope we get some more awareness at the audience to take care of their smartphones and keep it safe and secure."
  },
  {
    "start": 1862.879,
    "end": 1875.86,
    "text": "Thank you so much that they joined here And i wish a good luck tomorrow!"
  }
]