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    "text": "Welcome to Software Testing Unleashed, the podcast for software testers developers, test automation engineers and all people who want to make great software."
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    "text": "I'm Richie your Podcast Host!"
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    "text": "keynote speaker, author and podcaster."
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    "text": "My guest today is Jaclina Polak Matanovic."
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    "text": "she's an experienced QA manager driving QA excellence in complex regulated environments."
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    "text": "She's passionate about high quality delivery effective communication and continuous improvement."
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    "text": "And we talk today About a very interesting topic because Jaclinha builds the bridge between software-quality assurance and her skills from motherhood what you learned From being a mother skills and experiences she can bring now from the motherhood into her software quality job."
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    "start": 51.29,
    "end": 56.83,
    "text": "A great metaphor because there are a lot of skills, and lots of parallels dealing with people."
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    "start": 57.05,
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    "text": "so enjoy this episode and have fun!"
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    "text": "Yeah, it's great because you have such a great topic."
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    "text": "I saw in the abstracts and did a program from The Quest Tuck here that combined your experiences."
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    "start": 92.37,
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    "text": "That's a topic we have to talk about here in the podcast."
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    "text": "Thank you for thinking that way, I also think it is an important topic because usually this conference is full of some tech topics but there are places where some software one, I would say communication and the things like that."
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    "start": 117.77,
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    "text": "And i found it really important also in a conference on conferences but in real life."
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    "start": 126.21,
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    "text": "Also because on a conference when you have so many You are filled with So many new informations and learnings."
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    "start": 135.21,
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    "text": "Then you need something just to relax and get maybe positive boost."
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    "start": 142.57,
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    "text": "that I want to send with this my topic here."
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    "start": 146.63,
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    "text": "and yes, i am a mother."
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    "text": "And I have three daughters."
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    "start": 153.59,
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    "text": "they are pretty old now."
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    "text": "the older one is twenty the twins are seventeen."
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    "start": 164.53,
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    "text": "how I will manage it or if i would manage at all."
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    "text": "and It seems to me, let's say that the people who are working and I was for some time... ...for years at home thinking what we will cook today or where we'll go on which playground."
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    "start": 187.95,
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    "text": "And in my head the other had like learning about rock-and-scientists.. ..and their career is just rising up!"
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    "start": 198.57,
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    "text": "So i I ask myself how many times would just need to go into this world again."
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    "start": 206.89,
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    "text": "But actually on the end, these things that i also get at home are pretty important and... ...I got some skills first.. ..I adopt them and automate."
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    "start": 227.23,
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    "text": "it Turned to be really useful also in my career in testing but also In teamwork and I don't know if you want two leadership or anything."
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    "start": 240.31,
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    "text": "It could really help you many things."
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  {
    "start": 243.37,
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    "text": "so Yes, I wanted To introduce some easier topic that people can get this hopefully nice feeling."
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    "start": 254.41,
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    "text": "Yeah,"
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  {
    "start": 255.63,
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    "text": "yeah that's always a good part on the conference."
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    "start": 259.19,
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    "text": "so let us go into the skills you transferred from your private life to the testing life."
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    "start": 267.93,
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    "text": "what skills were there where I say okay they are useful then for testing and teamwork too."
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    "start": 274.13,
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    "text": "Yes, so I selected few stories and there was really my personal one that happened."
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    "start": 282.43,
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    "text": "Just talk about them just introduce this story And then make a parallels between what lessons i could get from these."
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    "start": 298.33,
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    "text": "The sum that said cooking let's say or something like that can teach you about prioritization, be clear and precise."
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    "start": 317.75,
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    "text": "Yes, because as I was selling just some small part."
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    "start": 324.43,
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    "text": "If you are at home and there is something on the floor... ...and want to disappear if you said that they have three kids?"
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    "start": 333.91,
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    "text": "And then if i say please pick it up!"
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    "start": 336.41,
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    "text": "Well no one will pick this up usually usually the one who needs to make it, who left it easy in another room or have a headset and then I need be precise."
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    "start": 352.29,
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    "text": "Or I needed to investigate Who made this?"
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    "start": 355.29,
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    "text": "And I had to say please can you pick up?"
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    "start": 358.63,
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    "text": "So i need give ownership."
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    "start": 360.55,
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    "text": "That is exactly like if your opening tickets You need to be precise Sometimes also not think about if something is obvious to you."
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    "start": 375.57,
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    "text": "It does not mean that it's obviously someone else, so you need give all this information."
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    "start": 382.21,
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    "text": "let say opening the ticket and... Let us see if your thing that developer would know on which environment error happened or in which version."
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    "start": 396.17,
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    "text": "just assume that's not actually correct way."
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    "start": 401.91,
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    "text": "So, all lessons just came from parenting so easily and nobody needs to teach you or don't need to investigate time."
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  {
    "start": 412.77,
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    "text": "noting it for yourself and remembering them... It is easier!"
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    "text": "I like the idea of their ownership, because when we're doing HR projects nowadays... ...we have this paradigm about everybody is responsible for quality."
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    "start": 432.57,
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    "text": "And it's also not really clear who is doing what at these times."
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    "start": 436.93,
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    "text": "to be clear you are doing that and that?"
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    "text": "You were writing this so being clear was a crucial skill in project work too!"
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    "start": 447.31,
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    "text": "Yeah, I think that if you have a ticket and they can... If there is no ownership."
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    "start": 452.45,
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    "text": "They could be in the backlock for some time or sometimes."
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    "text": "Or maybe you don't have clear processes."
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    "text": "Maybe you had some proactive colleagues who would say okay i will do it But if ambiguity really spreads in action You need to be clearer when things are done"
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    "text": "Especially at home kids, so there's a lot of crowdy stuff."
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    "text": "So"
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    "start": 482.47,
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    "text": "you have to be clear that yeah or the I don't know playgrounds was."
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    "start": 487.65,
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    "text": "uh i think also that playground are full off different lessons and they just picked one."
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    "start": 494.61,
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    "text": "when it is let say really you have like a few days before release and so many things to do."
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    "text": "You don't know what to do, how to do that... We are at the start of too many tickets or open bugs which cannot be done."
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    "text": "There is still regression testing And there's pressure or stress."
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    "text": "when I was with my kids on playground they are twins and when there were toddlers, like just starting to walk."
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    "start": 530.93,
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    "text": "And usually kids... I'm not sure if you have it but its really not important."
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    "text": "They're actually walking all the time."
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    "start": 540.93,
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    "text": "so people ask me how?"
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    "text": "Can you manage it alone?"
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    "start": 545.53,
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    "text": "if one is running to the, I don't know busy road and the other two swing or what how will react?"
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    "start": 553.05,
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    "text": "Yeah."
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  {
    "start": 553.89,
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    "text": "Usually I would say that I was saved first in a greater danger."
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    "start": 561.25,
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    "text": "So this might have luck maybe."
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    "start": 568.23,
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    "text": "The lessons here are... took this one, let's say about this prioritization."
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    "start": 574.89,
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    "text": "And that is exactly this right?"
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  {
    "start": 576.57,
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    "text": "You need to have all in your head."
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    "text": "you know what the most important thing was and then other things."
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    "start": 584.63,
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    "text": "just go through these tasks one after another communicate with someone to be sure that your priority list just correlates with the owner."
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    "text": "or let's say release, not have some totally different one."
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    "text": "And then you can do what you want and I will do this."
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    "start": 609.05,
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    "text": "first three, last two... I'm not so sure but lets see!"
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    "start": 613.81,
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    "text": "Yeah no stress everybody knows it has its limits."
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    "start": 618.21,
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    "text": "we know what we can choose."
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    "start": 622.83,
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    "text": "So, then you can come down and just make your own work as it's pretty normal without anything."
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    "text": "And let us see what we could do!"
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    "start": 636.27,
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    "text": "Let say I ask for help also if i'm alone or with my neighbour."
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    "start": 642.99,
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    "text": "please take an eye on this one... Is there anybody without too many tasks to jump in, help me with my task?"
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    "text": "So when we spread responsibilities then feel more is manageable."
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    "text": "Or the task on a playground just... When you're a parent try be always one step infront."
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    "start": 676.43,
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    "text": "so yeah think also about what could happen, how you can react."
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    "text": "So not only reaction but just to be proactive a little bit."
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    "text": "and yeah that is something this skill very useful in the environment with... Yeah"
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    "text": "I can relate to lot of stories because my daughter was small child."
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    "start": 704.53,
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    "text": "so it's great idea focus on this skills and take it to the work too, because there are so many parallels."
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    "text": "I see now!"
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    "text": "You worked before after you were at home coming back into your job."
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    "text": "did you realize that you're more focused in these skills?"
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    "text": "that you are more aware of this, explain to people."
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    "text": "That's not always obvious."
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    "text": "what do you think and make the clear task?"
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    "text": "Was it a really consciousness in there?"
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    "text": "It came with time."
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    "text": "so actually before I was pregnant i worked as software developer only after With a testing topic and so on because I also thought that this development And some these languages are going just rapidly fast, then I'm out for sometime."
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    "text": "So but there was also projects in."
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    "text": "I didn't."
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    "text": "I wasn't so picky, they asked me if i would like to work in a testing test management and project management."
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    "text": "And that sounds really okay for me."
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    "text": "So I started."
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    "start": 793.01,
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    "text": "but yeah come back to your question."
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    "text": "No!"
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    "text": "That is the reason why I make this."
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    "text": "because it came just later on Of course, it's clear."
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    "text": "and yeah I could really...I was just later on aware of all these things."
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    "text": "And that is why i make this to say that people not be so afraid give them positive feeling its value there."
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    "text": "On the other way around after being in a testing job now for new time, do you see any skills from testing which can take at home?"
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    "text": "Yeah I'm sure that there are some."
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    "start": 848.73,
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    "text": "There may be more but yeah i need to think about it."
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    "text": "let's say In testing, what I'm usually...I am really detailed."
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    "text": "Maybe i carried that also from my faculty."
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    "start": 866.77,
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    "text": "so for my education and I studied math sometimes yeah but yes especially on my project they like this part of me."
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    "text": "So I'm really detail."
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    "start": 877.97,
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    "text": "then it's just going to all these questions and I am working with a great colleagues."
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    "text": "And they really never was."
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    "start": 888.73,
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    "text": "she'll really like all my questions, then i can be really open?"
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    "text": "Yeah that is something."
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  {
    "start": 895.85,
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    "text": "yes... That's maybe not always good!"
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    "text": "Maybe it isn't in the projects or anything but Yes..I found this part of my personality."
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    "text": "That was something that really growing in my career."
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    "text": "But I can use it at home, to ask from kids... ...to take care of the details."
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    "text": "What's so inspiring about this topic is we are a whole person and not private business people."
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    "text": "So we are the same and as you said, personality."
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    "text": "And each part of our life has a reflection on other parts."
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    "text": "so I think it's very interesting to think about skills how they move between these areas here."
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    "text": "Yes Yeah, it's always that and you are trying to... the skills that you have."
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    "text": "That is like your strong one To make them even better on."
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    "text": "if You want influence this kind of skills from someone else And the ones that maybe are not your Maybe a little bit weaker part of yours then too somehow also work on them to make at least some acceptable levels."
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    "text": "That is the whole point, but also some openness."
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    "text": "or let's say when I was there were really two great contributions for... audience that was listening to me and I'm really thrilled."
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    "text": "they give this."
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    "text": "She said the first one is patience, so she says sometimes when at home you need repeat something once or twice more times... And then people usually I don't know, sometimes expect from you to react on the first one."
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    "text": "or if that does not have these kids."
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    "text": "but then this is really skills we all need to be let's say patient and respect everything."
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    "text": "And they respect differences collaborate much better, give the space for everybody."
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    "text": "And yeah... The other girl just told me that she has also three kids totally different and one is really proactive and one's a silent one."
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    "text": "If she would always be listening there would be always this proactive talking something and she will never, the silent one will never come to a stage let's say."
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    "start": 1088.79,
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    "text": "And that is also in work."
  },
  {
    "start": 1091.39,
    "end": 1101.05,
    "text": "we need to see if you are on some leader or team lead position just take care of everybody."
  },
  {
    "start": 1101.17,
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    "text": "get their own spot."
  },
  {
    "start": 1103.61,
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    "text": "yeah so We need to be inclusive."
  },
  {
    "start": 1110.37,
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    "text": "Respect everybody as you said, as a person."
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  {
    "start": 1114.81,
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    "text": "So great Jacqueline thank You very much for being here in the show and to inspire us with the transfer from private skills To business skills And back."
  },
  {
    "start": 1126.61,
    "end": 1128.99,
    "text": "so I think yeah we can reflect on that."
  },
  {
    "start": 1129.03,
    "end": 1130.21,
    "text": "then we can't think about it."
  },
  {
    "start": 1130.29,
    "end": 1135.53,
    "text": "what is In our life skills personal, private parenting life we have maybe."
  },
  {
    "start": 1136.29,
    "end": 1138.67,
    "text": "We can use in our job more or less yeah?"
  },
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    "start": 1138.71,
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    "text": "Yes"
  },
  {
    "start": 1140.37,
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    "text": "I hope so."
  },
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    "start": 1141.11,
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    "text": "Yeah,"
  },
  {
    "start": 1141.73,
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    "text": "thank you very much for putting the"
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    "text": "flashlight"
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    "text": "there."
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    "text": "and yeah i wish you a great rest of the conference here."
  },
  {
    "start": 1149.19,
    "end": 1153.55,
    "text": "yes it's a great conference and i'm really pleasant to be here."
  },
  {
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    "text": "i am grateful for invitation from you and from the organizers and i hope to see somewhere else."
  },
  {
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    "text": "sure we will have a good day."
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