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    "text": "Uh uh"
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    "text": "Uh Szymon"
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    "text": "Batosh, thank you very much for for uh standing here."
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    "text": "My questions and uh uh"
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    "start": 1356.24,
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    "text": "very interesting topic and hope we can inspire some of the people out there."
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    "start": 1367.88,
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    "text": "Thank you so much and I wish you a good rest day of the conference"
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  {
    "start": 1371.96,
    "end": 1373.72,
    "text": "and then safe travel home."
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