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    "text": "Welcome to Software Testing Unleashed!"
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    "text": "The podcast for testers, developers and test automation engineers."
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  {
    "start": 7.62,
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    "text": "And all the people in the software development process who want create great amazing quality software."
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    "start": 13.84,
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    "text": "My today's episode was recorded at Testvorus A great testing conference in Poland."
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    "start": 19.82,
    "end": 28.9,
    "text": "The days were full packed with great quality content and I had a great time discussing and chatting with the Polish and international software test community."
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  {
    "start": 29.3,
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    "text": "If you haven't been here, You should definitely go to one of next Test Warriors conferences!"
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    "start": 37.7,
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    "text": "My guest today is Marta Fiele."
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    "start": 40.14,
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    "text": "She has over nineteen years of professional experience mainly in the area of quality assurance, she's also a very active member of the Polish and European testing community organizing events and sharing knowledge as a speaker on conferences And she's the inventor and organizer of The Testing Conference TestFest."
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    "start": 59.46,
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    "text": "We talked about business and how do we as testers fit into big picture Of How A Company Earns Money?"
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    "start": 66.3,
    "end": 70.2,
    "text": "What are their real costs of employees and running in company."
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    "start": 70.54,
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    "text": "And what is the value for testing quality?"
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    "start": 73.58,
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    "text": "Now enjoy this episode!"
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    "text": "And"
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    "start": 103.62,
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    "text": "we have the opportunity here to drive around with one of your sponsors car and a Moda Nine Super Hybrid."
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    "start": 109.24,
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    "text": "So, yes!"
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    "start": 110.08,
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    "text": "We will also test how it goes like our tester's job is..."
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    "start": 115.08,
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    "text": "Don't be surprised if you're watching this."
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    "start": 116.52,
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    "text": "We are going down hills up hills in mountains so that would be fun."
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  {
    "start": 120.5,
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    "text": "Yeah I don't have any stabilisation."
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  {
    "start": 124.26,
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    "text": "The people who can watch it on YouTube they'll feel them."
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  {
    "start": 129.66,
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    "text": "Mathe, you did the keynote today?"
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    "start": 131.2,
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    "text": "Yes I did."
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    "start": 131.84,
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    "text": "That was my first keynote presentation in my life actually!"
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    "start": 136.68,
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    "text": "A lot of stress"
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  {
    "start": 139.44,
    "end": 143.72,
    "text": "and it wasn't about a very interesting topic but not real software-testing topics."
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    "start": 143.76,
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    "text": "No"
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    "start": 144.04,
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    "text": "no at all."
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    "start": 144.68,
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    "text": "So... You know i've been thinking for years."
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    "start": 148.84,
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    "text": "It has to go through my soul Like often I see that the testers or quality engineers."
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    "start": 155.6,
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    "text": "They don't understand a business like."
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  {
    "start": 157.18,
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    "text": "they Understand the testing, they understand it from this perspective But they don't understanding how do companies work?"
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    "text": "Yeah"
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    "start": 164.6,
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    "text": "And when you make decisions especially now where we have this crisis times... ...they have a tendency to ignore It."
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    "start": 172.84,
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    "text": "So today i did this presentation on Hustef and i did it Today in longer version within the theme of ski resort and actually the employees in the ski region."
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    "start": 185.84,
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    "text": "And I used props, so i had the gold coins today that i showed at the presentation."
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    "start": 191.52,
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    "text": "chocolate german coins."
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    "start": 193.1,
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    "text": "yeah That was fun!"
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    "start": 194.24,
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    "text": "Yeah"
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    "start": 196.48,
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    "text": "let's go into this topic a little bit."
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    "start": 200.24,
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    "text": "I usually, when i work with testers there are all not really aware about the stuff that's going around."
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    "start": 206.6,
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    "text": "But you say it is crucial to understand what we're doing here?"
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    "start": 210.04,
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    "text": "It is!"
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    "text": "So like today I showed a little bit of a hint."
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    "text": "A hint on actually activities and investments... What budgets disappear throughout how normally the company works."
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    "start": 223.6,
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    "text": "so We started our journey from onboarding costs for a person and the salary, so on."
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    "start": 231.04,
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    "text": "But I wanted to share all of those other cost that people don't associate like branding marketing signing the contract The legal additional fees."
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    "start": 239.56,
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    "text": "we have investments you know changes within from this key region two bike centers right?"
  },
  {
    "start": 244.52,
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    "text": "Yeah All of that."
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    "start": 246.46,
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    "text": "And Like i finished the presentation with four areas Of development or things That We should all do yeah like easy ones To understand our own value like to know who we are and what value we bring within the organization that they're in."
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    "start": 262.119,
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    "text": "Then, you should plan on going next with it."
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    "start": 267.96,
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    "text": "but there's two more crucial things I ask everyone from next Wednesday as long weekend is started getting to know how their organization works from the business perspective, How?"
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    "start": 280.559,
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    "text": "The organization makes money."
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    "start": 281.88,
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    "text": "What's the past?"
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    "start": 282.78,
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    "text": "what's the future?"
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    "start": 284.2,
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    "text": "Who is like?"
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    "start": 285.219,
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    "text": "who's the main stakeholders with decisions they make?"
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    "start": 288.239,
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    "text": "So that one thing and also as I work mostly in software houses But i think in product companies it's same get to know what value data testing brings for the stakeholders."
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    "start": 301.219,
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    "text": "And I'm not talking about this basics, we know that it brings information on quality and all of these things close to us... No!"
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    "start": 309.119,
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    "text": "It's from a business perspective if you say like.. What values do they bring in my stakeholder?"
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    "text": "Because having information They can calculate how much money they will lose if you go with a release."
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    "start": 323.799,
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    "text": "I think it's very difficult topic to calculate this"
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    "start": 327.0,
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    "text": "stuff."
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    "text": "It is, but its possible."
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    "text": "Actually we did that We have the basics like How much money do we need for automation?"
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    "text": "How many money from maintenance?"
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    "start": 340.299,
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    "text": "But what if the wheel block system or one crucial functionality won't work?"
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    "start": 347.239,
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    "text": "And you can calculate this, like good product managers can do it."
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    "start": 351.34,
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    "text": "Yeah"
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  {
    "start": 351.679,
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    "text": "yeah and I think that's often the problem how to weigh your testing... ...and market our testing stuff in a company."
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    "start": 359.94,
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    "text": "so we need these numbers."
  },
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    "start": 361.08,
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    "text": "Yes we need numbers and KPIs."
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    "start": 364.239,
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    "text": "We could look at pasts."
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    "text": "So i'm not doing automation right?"
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    "start": 371.859,
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    "text": "Through my career each time I was jumping into project there were So messed up and there were challenges in the completely other places even though they were like wanted me to test To do it good."
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    "start": 384.28,
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    "text": "I had to work with their requirements."
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    "start": 385.88,
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    "text": "I have two, you know manage all of the others stuff and build processes And so on."
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    "start": 390.78,
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    "text": "and then Like that out everyone was asking about automations."
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    "start": 393.84,
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    "text": "like we have developers They can't do it right?"
  },
  {
    "start": 397.14,
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    "text": "And i could calculate how much time and what effort is needed but also What will be the return from investment And if it's worth or not?"
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    "start": 405.739,
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    "text": "Yeah."
  },
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    "start": 406.219,
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    "text": "Not often is worth it!"
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    "start": 408.58,
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    "text": "I think we are very optimistic especially when doing automation stuff, yeah"
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    "start": 414.9,
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    "text": "We do and you know."
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    "start": 416.32,
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    "text": "its something that clients understand."
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    "start": 418.739,
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    "text": "This why i was trying to say about the business for people what they take hold of their needs."
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    "start": 426.84,
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    "text": "We thought people what development is, that lines of code like functionalities they understand why have to pay for development."
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    "start": 446.2,
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    "text": "produce test report."
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    "start": 447.679,
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    "text": "And I'm not saying about this huge definition multiple pages, i am saying one email with the crucial information where we are and they like often tell me no why not?"
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    "start": 458.739,
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    "text": "Because Client did not ask but you're an expert!"
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    "start": 463.08,
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    "text": "You should tell him or her that what value it will bring to them."
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    "text": "so if we don't promote our work In a way that they need it from the business perspective, They won't appreciate our efforts."
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    "start": 478.059,
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    "text": "Yeah yeah That's so true."
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    "text": "and when I think of testing Typically managers if they have to Decrease something off their costs testing is one of the first thing because there often Testing is so abstract for them dates."
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    "text": "It's dealing with a possible risk in the future."
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    "text": "It's a cost."
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    "text": "How can we bring the value or a number to this possible risk mitigation?"
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    "text": "We do with testing."
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    "text": "Even though I look young, you are young!"
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    "text": "I started about twenty years ago and it's the fourth crisis from Polish-testing perspective."
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    "text": "And like cost centers for the companies so We provide services testing and development Services for other countries or another organization."
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    "text": "it's full-time in my career When the clients are going from Poland to India."
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    "start": 544.12,
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    "text": "we have to use The same argument and prove the value and Nothing Works best than like using those money."
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    "start": 553.14,
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    "text": "Yeah, I'm having those coins and show it to the clients when they know it but to properly calculate it Like When i'm saying that we should in my mind It's a team."
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    "text": "yeah We have there either product owner or product manager project manager engineering manager."
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    "text": "There are people with us have a little bit bigger access to the budget and they understand a little more from this perspective."
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    "text": "So if we can calculate, like share their risks... If you can calculate that time needed just in case something happens."
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    "text": "for example full regression will take about one week."
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    "start": 593.12,
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    "text": "it's clearly described as money If we think about it, that will need to have like twenty-four seven support during the holidays because We are not sure of the functionalities if we did not set proper QA processes."
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    "text": "Yeah It's clearly communicable."
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    "start": 609.8,
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    "text": "and yeah And it may not be us but we need to like start this process Like show it that is possible?"
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    "text": "An educate our team members as well."
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    "start": 620.74,
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    "text": "when they do I have a feeling."
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    "start": 625.12,
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    "text": "Yeah, I think a lot of testers and testmen try to avoid this whole stuff with the money thing but it's crucial."
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    "text": "To put their numbers on the table."
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    "text": "yeah"
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    "text": "Today i was like during the presentation... ...I tried."
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    "text": "you know have this calculation at heads for everyone how much it takes for investment?"
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    "start": 646.5,
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    "text": "then add thirty percent because those are the extra taxes that the employer, this gross-gross employee pay in Poland."
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    "text": "Then calculate it throughout twelve months Because these is normal investment we're doing within people and double it as a cost for all the benefits or things right?"
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    "text": "And than its huge number!"
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    "text": "There were people approaching me after but they never thought about it In other way guys like you coming to the paid conference."
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    "text": "We have healthcare in Poland like all those benefits, even fruit at Thursdays and the office."
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    "text": "It costs more if we would just go to shop and buy it by ourselves."
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    "text": "You said also that automation is not always money worth it."
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    "text": "Tell us something from your history there."
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    "text": "I worked sometimes in three projects at the same time and don't tell them like that because all the clients thought they will was full-time for them."
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    "text": "Like if we think now, The world is changing so fast."
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    "text": "So If We have applications or either mobile or whatever type And you're not sure there would be on a market For long Or we see their requirements are changing or other things I don't believe it's a moment we should do the automation."
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    "text": "Like basic smoke test, yes perfect like of course crucial functionalities but full regression there is no point."
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    "text": "probably will change especially if they are POCs new product something very dynamic different brands now i work for financial services and some things that will stay there for ages But there are some things that we're just trying out, like maybe clients will like it or not."
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    "text": "And then if not... We'll just cut off and delete with all the tests, so this is something you should have in mind."
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    "text": "I recognize often people who plan their automation."
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    "text": "How often?"
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    "text": "And then we have all this knowledge about false positives, like mutation tests and so on."
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    "text": "I think i'm very lazy."
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    "text": "Let's come from the value perspective."
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    "text": "Is it valuable for automation or something that would change fast?"
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    "text": "small amount of people or something that it's not critical."
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    "text": "Yeah, a lot of things we have to deal with and I always think when we as techies in the automation area are at some thing We're always fall-in love with our frameworks and our test automations solutions And we don't want to get rid off."
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    "text": "I believe then like you get better with every project, every company."
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    "start": 844.76,
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    "text": "You learn a lot and you don't have this bad feeling that i'm destroying something... ...I build it?"
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    "start": 852.6,
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    "text": "It's not YOU that is cutting off your child!"
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    "text": "And once Test Automation Engineer decided to leave my projects but we agreed as there was no one else he would join the interviews for new person And for each interview, we were sharing his test case to the new person."
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    "text": "New candidate and this person was like asked to say what would do better?"
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    "start": 892.959,
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    "text": "yeah...He should've done in a better way To maintain faster easier cheaper or better."
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    "text": "But it's too much for him, because he felt like someone is criticizing his child."
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    "text": "Yeah I can imagine that."
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    "text": "What would you recommend to a tester who is now hearing the podcast episode and thinks okay yeah i want do this way get some value or numbers from my work."
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    "text": "how to start?"
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    "text": "Then think about all the benefits... All things that are working for the companies."
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    "text": "For example do we have Bench or not?"
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    "start": 950.28,
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    "text": "How many additional people are working there?"
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    "start": 953.36,
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    "text": "That's not billable Like I am right?"
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    "start": 957.459,
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    "text": "I'm a boss."
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    "start": 958.579,
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    "text": "So it means that everyone who works with me, they have to earn a little bit more."
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    "start": 963.6,
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    "text": "That is for my salary and I need to earn some more salaries of people on the bench."
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    "start": 970.92,
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    "text": "And if you want to do learning and development right?"
  },
  {
    "start": 974.439,
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    "text": "If someone wants to have a party again then he has to learn as well."
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    "start": 980.36,
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    "text": "so i would start by taking a piece of paper from myself once and re-take a look at it."
  },
  {
    "start": 987.6,
    "end": 988.86,
    "text": "And then we have AI."
  },
  {
    "start": 988.959,
    "end": 993.56,
    "text": "now, you can like ask what are the costs additional cost?"
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    "start": 993.78,
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    "text": "What other things... I think that presentation will be recorded."
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    "text": "but to think about all of the rest activities your company is doing It could be branding or marketing, investments, charities All those companies do for purpose At least forty percent Because companies are here to earn money."
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    "start": 1017.939,
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    "text": "And that was something I was surprised at."
  },
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    "start": 1019.6,
    "end": 1024.56,
    "text": "how many people would look at me during my presentation when i had this slide, Companies Are Here To Make Money."
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    "start": 1025.339,
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    "text": "That's the goal of every company."
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    "start": 1028.66,
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    "text": "Every company government and like country make money."
  },
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    "start": 1032.04,
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    "text": "Yeah we often forget about"
  },
  {
    "start": 1033.24,
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    "text": "it."
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    "start": 1035.099,
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    "text": "Matta, thank you very much for this interview and the insights."
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    "start": 1039.3,
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    "text": "I think i have to check also my projects and clients about money stuff."
  },
  {
    "start": 1045.68,
    "end": 1046.76,
    "text": "write down some numbers."
  },
  {
    "start": 1048.24,
    "end": 1049.399,
    "text": "maybe we are surprised!"
  },
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    "start": 1050.639,
    "end": 1054.04,
    "text": "You know it's especially important that Poland is not taught how to talk about money."
  },
  {
    "start": 1054.84,
    "end": 1059.1,
    "text": "So this is a little bit taboo topic, so it's hard for us as well."
  },
  {
    "start": 1059.2,
    "end": 1060.92,
    "text": "but don't be afraid you're not alone."
  },
  {
    "start": 1061.44,
    "end": 1062.22,
    "text": "We are all in it!"
  },
  {
    "start": 1062.58,
    "end": 1064.96,
    "text": "As long we have jobs like...we are all on it."
  },
  {
    "start": 1065.18,
    "end": 1065.3,
    "text": "Yeah"
  },
  {
    "start": 1066.22,
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    "text": "great word."
  },
  {
    "start": 1066.82,
    "end": 1068.62,
    "text": "thank you very much Marta and have a good day."
  },
  {
    "start": 1068.879,
    "end": 1070.66,
    "text": "the same to you bye."
  }
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