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    "text": "by NXAI,"
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    "text": "models and physical AI."
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    "text": "Hello everybody!"
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    "text": "And welcome to a new episode of our Industrial AI Podcast."
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    "text": "my name is Robert Viva."
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    "text": "time that"
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    "text": "you and I talk."
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    "text": "There is one more podcast after this one before"
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    "text": "the summer break for"
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    "text": "the Summer Break, exactly what's going to say?"
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    "start": 37.52,
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    "text": "No not at last time we record this episode as well."
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    "start": 40.9,
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    "text": "no"
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    "start": 41.28,
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    "text": "We are only add What does."
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    "text": "a number were recording here today?"
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    "text": "three hundred fifty"
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    "start": 46.4,
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    "text": "three fifty okay yeah oh we can easily do another Three Hundred Fifty."
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    "start": 50.68,
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    "text": "Exactly there."
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    "start": 51.44,
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    "text": "A lot of topics."
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    "start": 53.32,
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    "text": "let's start with The Newspart."
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    "start": 55.3,
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    "text": "Do You Have Something Hot?"
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    "start": 57.28,
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    "text": "not."
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    "text": "And I think you have to use that please?"
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    "text": "Okay, there's an interesting news today because our friend Max Welling he was our guest three four months ago raised for hundred fifty million dollars and yeah it raised a lot of money for European startups."
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    "text": "so congratulations to Max and the whole team."
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    "start": 79.26,
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    "text": "greetings to Amsterdam."
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    "text": "but What I found very interesting is that they are now building an AI materials foundry and it's not a quote with more than forty five global partners coming together to achieve breakthroughs in semiconductors clean energy."
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    "text": "and advanced manufacturing leading companies including META, NVIDIA, Hyundai, Henkel Samsung applied materials and AMD."
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    "text": "And a lot of more companies in very interesting approach to also establish now foundry there?"
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    "start": 111.52,
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    "text": "Yeah"
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    "start": 112.06,
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    "text": "that's relatively new thing for me as well."
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    "text": "I mean the word Foundry is from the chip manufacturing where when i was part of this company Intel and they would always produce exclusively for themselves."
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    "start": 127.76,
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    "text": "And in the meantime, I think that was one of the big top-level decisions where some people support others but not... In the mean time have become a founding meaning producing for others."
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    "text": "the number one name most all of us know there is TSMC."
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    "start": 148.64,
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    "text": "I was just looking because i wasn't sure."
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    "text": "I could use the word Taiwan but it stands for Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, and we don't want to go into politics about what that means."
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    "text": "United States, but also Europe."
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    "text": "You know Dresden area and everybody have more production capabilities themselves here."
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    "start": 174.22,
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    "text": "So there you go very interesting."
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    "start": 175.9,
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    "text": "What does that mean?"
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    "start": 176.74,
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    "text": "It means that if if cosplay eye is going to be Themselves or other one using their technology To come up with new materials than each of these foundries they Maybe are gonna use their approach."
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    "text": "I'm Gonna Be producing those new materials for even others, I guess."
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    "start": 198.04,
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    "text": "Yeah i think so."
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    "start": 198.98,
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    "text": "yeah that's the idea."
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    "start": 201.44,
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    "text": "interesting and what i found interesting because i had a recording with dunja last week."
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    "start": 206.46,
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    "text": "we will send this episode in a few weeks and dunja is a german startup in the same field."
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    "start": 214.3,
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    "text": "they have totally different approach than max approach."
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    "start": 219.22,
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    "text": "be curious about the episode coming next week."
  },
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    "start": 224.5,
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    "text": "looking forward to."
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    "text": "As far as I recall, i'm not sure if that's the cosplay-eye approach but it is very similar."
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    "start": 234.82,
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    "text": "maybe its reinforcement learning kind of telling the algorithm what you want."
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    "start": 244.12,
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    "text": "and was this also a case with Google?"
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    "text": "daughter from London?"
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    "text": "Deep mind alpha fold There"
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    "start": 252.5,
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    "text": "you go."
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    "start": 254.32,
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    "text": "And isn't the idea, like developing a new drug?"
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    "start": 258.68,
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    "text": "You take one hundred scientists and ten years... and you need one billion dollars."
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    "start": 264.38,
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    "text": "And then after ten years, it was the wrong approach right?"
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    "start": 268.9,
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    "text": "That's why I use that again kind of thing."
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    "start": 271.32,
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    "text": "instead You tell your algorithm what exactly is needed to be an outcome."
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    "text": "So i believe there were maybe those two."
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    "start": 280.06,
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    "text": "so i'm very much looking forward to Dunja as well."
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    "text": "Of their approach is to tell the algorithm to the material, maybe chemistry."
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    "start": 291.8,
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    "text": "I don't know."
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    "start": 292.64,
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    "text": "that's interesting."
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    "start": 293.42,
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    "text": "a small spoiler because you went into details right?"
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    "start": 296.56,
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    "text": "So the junior approach is like a little bit the Neura robotics approach building gyms for new materials and not Robotics Gyms."
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    "start": 304.18,
    "end": 313.26,
    "text": "so Building Labs To generate data Because The missing thing in this whole topic when to find new materials Is to produce data at the end."
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    "start": 313.7,
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    "text": "Amazing"
  },
  {
    "start": 314.92,
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    "text": "That's very interesting and the whole conversation was very, very inspiring."
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  {
    "start": 318.3,
    "end": 321.46,
    "text": "So I think it is first episode we share after this summer break."
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  {
    "start": 321.68,
    "end": 321.76,
    "text": "Yeah"
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  {
    "start": 322.28,
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    "text": "looking forward to"
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    "start": 323.46,
    "end": 324.16,
    "text": "what else do you have?"
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  {
    "start": 324.24,
    "end": 325.16,
    "text": "or should i go on?"
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  {
    "start": 325.34,
    "end": 329.6,
    "text": "You can't go on more too like finishing a background pieces?"
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  {
    "start": 330.08,
    "end": 330.64,
    "text": "yeah exactly."
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  {
    "start": 330.72,
    "end": 333.02,
    "text": "And then there's an issue with Sophie."
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  {
    "start": 333.3,
    "end": 338.7,
    "text": "and Sophie as German thirty billion large language model."
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    "start": 339.66,
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    "text": "And the whole community was impressed at the beginning, but then some people looked a little bit closer into the whole thing."
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    "start": 348.38,
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    "text": "and it's copy of Nemotron from NVIDIA nearly a copy of Nimotron."
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    "start": 353.78,
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    "text": "they have some test leakage data leakage topics there."
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    "start": 358.5,
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    "text": "At the end, from my point of view it's an embracing fiasco."
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    "start": 363.42,
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    "text": "So they announced something very big."
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    "start": 366.4,
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    "text": "we have a very big model."
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    "start": 367.66,
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    "text": "It is not instruction tuned so its more architecture."
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    "start": 372.9,
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    "text": "but then if you follow a little bit on x because there are huge machine learning community discussing this topic I will share their link And why they had this data leakage in and while there only use a demotron copy, I don't get it."
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    "start": 391.06,
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    "text": "So that was trained in Munich."
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  {
    "start": 392.38,
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    "text": "who"
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    "start": 392.54,
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    "text": "is?"
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  {
    "start": 392.7,
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    "text": "Sophie then isn't an organization or company?"
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    "start": 396.08,
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    "text": "It's an organization by Fraunhofer and Technic University of Darmstadt A lot of German universities and stuff like that."
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  {
    "start": 404.44,
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    "text": "Yeah let's see what the outcome There Let's See how will be used In The Industry."
  },
  {
    "start": 409.82,
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    "text": "so the focus Is Industrial Applications."
  },
  {
    "start": 413.44,
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    "text": "what you can solve with this, I think."
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    "start": 415.68,
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    "text": "Yeah it's not instruction tuned yet!"
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    "start": 417.96,
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    "text": "It is the next step that your guys told to the community."
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    "start": 420.5,
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    "text": "but at the beginning i was oh yeah a thirty billion large language model?"
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  {
    "start": 424.46,
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    "text": "That sounds interesting."
  },
  {
    "start": 425.54,
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    "text": "and now...I'm a little bit disappointed."
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    "start": 428.48,
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    "text": "Is that one based on several or all of European languages where does nothing have to do with each other?"
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    "start": 435.08,
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    "text": "Its not Euro LLM its German in English."
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  {
    "start": 438.64,
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    "text": "On Sophie you spell like SOFI"
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  {
    "start": 442.24,
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    "text": "S-O-O F.I."
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  {
    "start": 444.4,
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    "text": "Oh, I don't heard of it."
  },
  {
    "start": 446.66,
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    "text": "Maybe there is still this thing where specific pieces first get discussed on X and then they come to LinkedIn."
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    "start": 456.34,
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    "text": "Where are you typically concentrate?"
  },
  {
    "start": 458.62,
    "end": 461.0,
    "text": "And maybe some of them don't move their at all."
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  {
    "start": 461.7,
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    "text": "Yeah exactly what else do you have Peter?"
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  {
    "start": 465.48,
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    "text": "okay yeah so as i say two pieces ground reading more, letting you dear listeners go into your well-deserved holidays if not yet already."
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    "start": 476.78,
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    "text": "You have the first."
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    "start": 479.34,
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    "text": "I'm going to share and i've had them with me for many many months...I could have shared at any time is a couple of quotes from the play RUR or Rossum's Universal Robots."
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    "start": 491.7,
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    "text": "oh interesting that word right Now, which I strongly suggest each of you reading over the holidays if you haven't yet."
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    "start": 498.64,
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    "text": "So Rur, R-U-R is written by, has been written by Czech Karl Chapeck and the Czech word it's a science fiction play, nineteen twenty one that you hear that?"
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    "text": "Nineteen Twenty One That's a hundred five years old."
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    "text": "In that play, the term robot was first introduced as far we know in Czech language."
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    "start": 526.6,
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    "text": "That is similar to the word robot and it seems to be a word for forced labor or hard work... ...that's of course already important to realize."
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    "start": 535.92,
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    "text": "now The play takes place at a factory which makes artificial people called robots by robots."
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    "start": 544.78,
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    "text": "That's also in itself very interesting."
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    "start": 547.58,
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    "text": "Now, they're actually less what we've been used to today and what we call industrial mechanicals."
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    "text": "They are more biological still I guess the day We would rather called in human orids."
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    "start": 558.6,
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    "text": "now there you go."
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    "start": 559.36,
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    "text": "i'm not going to spoil this story but Maybe i'm gonna share three quotes that just come out of somewhere Out Of The Book And maybe You get a feeling for What This Is All Going To Be About."
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    "text": "In The Beginning It Says Man is too complicated."
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    "start": 574.1,
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    "text": "A good engineer could make him more simply."
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    "start": 577.22,
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    "text": "I forgot who said that if it was the writer or one of the characters not important, i guess though very interestingly when i was looking at that again this morning This...this could be sad you know, as a reason against humanoids in factories right?"
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    "start": 592.96,
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    "text": "It's what I've always been saying."
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    "start": 594.82,
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    "text": "And these days you see hours and hours of discussions about humanoids number one... ...and about humanoid infactories."
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    "start": 601.94,
    "end": 602.34,
    "text": "now there you go!"
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    "text": "Number two i'm going to share."
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    "text": "so many robots are being manufactured that people are becoming superfluous."
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    "start": 611.88,
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    "text": "it's like..you know ..what do we need humans for?"
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    "start": 614.98,
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    "text": "So that's where it is getting dangers, I guess for humans."
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    "start": 617.5,
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    "text": "And the final one i'm sharing is even more so."
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    "text": "in a final quote We The first international organization of robots Proclaim man as our enemy and an outlaw In the universe!"
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    "start": 631.92,
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    "text": "So...I am going to stop here If dad caught your attention As I suggest."
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    "text": "It's rather nice story."
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    "start": 640.32,
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    "text": "I think its play."
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    "start": 643.5,
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    "text": "There's a wonderful picture there, if you look on Wikipedia or elsewhere maybe which is the play out of character."
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    "start": 651.48,
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    "text": "You can see how the robots at that time looked like when they were playing the robots."
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    "start": 658.5,
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    "text": "Perfect."
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    "start": 658.92,
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    "text": "So it's a summary on the beach?"
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    "start": 661.36,
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    "text": "Yeah, sure you can."
  },
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    "start": 663.26,
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    "text": "I guess is going to take couple of hours maybe two hours kind reading through its own."
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    "text": "It isn't as big what i just finished this morning which is crime in English Tolstoy peace and war"
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    "text": "in war?"
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  {
    "start": 686.98,
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    "text": "But it's not AI-related content here, Peter please go on with your AI related content."
  },
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    "start": 691.9,
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    "text": "I'm only saying six."
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  {
    "start": 692.84,
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    "text": "there was so... And then number two i am gonna share very strongly related against the robots."
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    "start": 701.36,
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    "text": "I can make sure that they will not rule against us, which is the three laws of robotics."
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    "start": 705.92,
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    "text": "Right?"
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  {
    "start": 706.22,
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    "text": "I think most of you have heard them and we're just going to share it in one more time with You."
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    "text": "there was a reason Just couple days ago so It started And that's from nineteen forty two From Isaac Asimov."
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    "text": "right He says number One A robot may Not injure human being or through Inaction Allow Human Being To Come To Harm."
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    "text": "So you can very nicely relate this already to the book about or play about robots."
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    "text": "Interesting, I will record an episode today with the Nvidia guys."
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    "text": "was their new halos and a safety approach when it comes to humanoid robotics?"
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    "text": "Okay ask him if they are aware of three robot orders"
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    "text": "Two,"
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    "text": "then is a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the first law."
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    "text": "That's what he always does."
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    "text": "and number three is that The robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the first or second law."
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    "text": "And then a couple years later, and you know he's been writing in his time this is nineteen forty two."
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    "text": "there you Go"
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    "text": "so let's switch To The main part."
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    "text": "very much looking forward to."
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    "text": "And then we're gonna have at least the second one, I think that's Jacob that were planning right a week later?"
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    "text": "Exactly last episode of before the summer break is Jakob Tomczuk with some information was on topics from the US"
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    "text": "and you are going be back in what about four weeks again"
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    "text": "so first Thursday in September We Are Back."
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    "text": "Very good Robert."
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    "text": "thank You very Much."
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    "text": "Have A Great Time same for you dear listeners Have a wonderful holiday and hope to have you with us again in latest, in four weeks."
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    "text": "Bye-bye!"
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    "text": "Thanks bye-bye Robert."
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    "text": "all right Thanks Robert just for the opportunity."
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    "text": "You wanna predict this column and let's do it right?"
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    "text": "so it's great!"
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    "text": "So you're going into an early stage receipt fund rounding or what is the idea?"
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    "text": "right investment can be cool but for this type of business i think VC investment right now, even though it can help of course boost like trips."
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    "text": "Of course you need something to cover the trees and paying all their stock behind."
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    "text": "You have to pay for cloud and AI credit users."
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    "start": 2291.04,
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    "text": "But I think getting an accelerator that would really help or any other calculated Accelerator that could enable us Getting this cloud, getting this credit And partnership with other AI providers especially teams from NXAI team, that would boost and enable us to use your models."
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    "text": "And actually enable our customers to have reliable models and reliable decisions using Octopus."
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    "text": "Perfect, Dudu!"
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    "text": "It was a pleasure."
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    "text": "thank you very much for the insights of your octopus platform time series forecasting approach."
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    "text": "all the best and greetings to Paris."
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    "start": 2330.3,
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    "text": "Thank You very much Robert but now I will finish with this question."
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    "text": "What does Octopus mean?"
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    "start": 2335.24,
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    "text": "Where does the name come from."
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    "text": "So, the octopus has so many arms and so the octopus can handle"
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    "text": "Absolutely."
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    "text": "And this is what it's called Octopus?"
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    "text": "That's a good insight, right?"
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    "text": "Octopus is agentic and can do different tasks at the same time."
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    "start": 2352.54,
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    "text": "they are related to data science from data analysis or transforming your data building models."
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    "text": "It's agentic but also you know octopus is one of the most intelligent animals and it has brain and its reasons."
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    "start": 2363.46,
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    "text": "Right!"
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    "start": 2364.1,
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    "text": "But What makes it so special?"
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    "text": "in the name There is octo like octopus and then opus."
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    "text": "Is the most powerful model from entropy, which is office four point eight?"
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    "start": 2373.5,
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    "text": "And that's why actually what Octopus uses for its reasoning or his brain and how to decide on what models they choose etc."
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    "start": 2383.44,
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    "text": "Perfect!"
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    "start": 2384.1,
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    "text": "Dudu it was a pleasure."
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    "start": 2385.12,
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    "text": "thanks so"
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  {
    "start": 2385.6,
    "end": 2385.76,
    "text": "much."
  },
  {
    "start": 2386.26,
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    "text": "Thank you Robert."
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