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    "text": "In a world racing towards AI, quantum disruption and unprecedented security threats the future of engineering depends on who we invite to the table."
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    "text": "Sometimes this spark that changes our life and strengthens an entire industry comes from single voice encouragement."
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    "text": "In this episode, we sit down with Deborah Terrio, crypto-engineering management director at TALUS whose journey from a math obsessed student to leader in mission critical security engineering reveals what truly drives innovation."
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    "text": "Curiosity, courage and the power of seeing whats possible when someone believes in you."
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    "text": "I'm Steve Prentice And This is The TALus Security Sessions Podcast."
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    "text": "So Deborah, welcome to the Talent Security Sessions"
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    "text": "podcast."
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    "text": "Hi Steve thank you for having me."
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    "text": "so this is something that of course has a great interest because we're always looking for more inclusion and diversity off Great minds in great talents in the whole cybersecurity world And you certainly stand out as a beacon of that?"
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    "text": "So my first question to you Is what inspired you to pursue engineering at the first place?"
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    "text": "during My early years I had a passion for mathematics and as I grew up it continued."
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    "text": "so when it was time to decide the field that i would pursue engineering with a natural choice.I also was very fortunate at a young age,to have a very strong mathematics teacher."
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    "text": "she actually became the principal of the school but her being a female really inspired me."
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    "text": "I don't think at the time, i actually saw it that way."
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    "text": "I really just...I saw her as something to aspire too."
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    "text": "so That's where my love for science mathematics started and she was a big part of that And helped out grow."
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    "text": "In terms of early challenges in university It is clear It was mostly male dominated."
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    "text": "We had three young ladies, including myself in the full class and we really stuck together."
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    "text": "We really enjoyed what we were doing and we were passionate about it."
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    "text": "We were hardworking."
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    "text": "so when it was time to do team projects... ...we would typically do them together."
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    "text": "I've really enjoyed my time working with them And i think that really helped us to work together To feel less alone I guess Less different."
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    "text": "That's a very salient point in terms of feeling less alone."
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    "text": "What I love about what you said there is the fact that you had a teacher, a role model who inspired you."
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    "text": "so often i hear the opposite people Who have avoided going into particular career because some teacher at Some point In their life say oh You're not Very good At this and The impact that can Have on A student to Hear an adult Say Something like that that you Not really Very Good at This Can Just Steer People Away from potential enormous career opportunities."
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    "text": "So it's delightful to hear that you had a role model like that, and I say that because the people who listen to this podcast obviously are specialists in cybersecurity and data security generally but they're also of course people with families and others in their lives Who can be those kinds of sources of influence?"
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    "text": "And just one single positive comment Like as You have Just said put your on That path that you were destined To Be On and Also Of Course Working Together With Your Colleagues As A Group Also, I think was a wonderful piece to demonstrate here."
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    "text": "So this brought you into this fast changing world."
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    "text": "have You since seen in the last few years any change with regards To attitudes not just simply towards female engineers but too at diverse working body overall?"
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    "text": "I mean i'm hoping that your observing more integration and more collaboration."
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    "text": "But what has your experience been out there in the field?"
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    "text": "I would say Ever since I started my career in engineering, particularly here in Ottawa Canada."
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    "text": "In cultures and thinking... ...I've always appreciated that about the city.. ..I grew up with this kind of environment With many different cultures And it has been the same in terms of places where i have had an opportunity to work in."
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    "text": "Frankly I don't see a significant change."
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    "text": "but then again I would say that i haven't really seen drawbacks in terms of different cultures, the different genders."
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    "text": "Different thinking and either this organization or any other previous ones That I've been in...I would say engineering is particularly a very open environment In terms."
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    "text": "you understand what your doing You have deep technical knowledge you work hard, I have the sense that it really does pay off."
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    "text": "It's not about anything else likely because we're scientists and were really curious about learning different topics and expanding our knowledge."
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    "text": "so i think in term...I'm not privy to all careers but I would say in the engineering field ...i feel like thats' really a pursuit for most of us."
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    "text": "When you see other female engineers and scientists who want to rise in these positions, what would you see as the most significant barriers that they are going face?"
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    "text": "And what advice could give them with regards to choosing an employer or choosing a method for getting past all this silliness."
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    "text": "Getting into actual practice of your expertise?"
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    "text": "So certainly I'd advise... You do research!"
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    "text": "You did it through company For example, Talis is one of the best employers in Canada."
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    "text": "So you do your research I would say into The company and the opportunities And their values."
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    "text": "Then Of course when You Are interviewing i think you really need to have an open dialogue and Really get a sense During the interview of What kind of culture the team has that organization has."
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    "text": "I think that's going to be very important as you embark on your career, to ensure that you're in the right place—that values match and there are opportunities... The culture is open for new ideas thinking it will support growth."
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    "text": "As you were working at Talus which was a company known critical data security and encryption, identity in access management."
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    "text": "And a whole bunch of other things including cloud, Of course how do you as a leader?"
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    "text": "what does your strategy taking on the project that has such high stakes?"
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    "text": "That's great question."
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    "text": "first of all I'd like say these kind projects are are really great opportunities and I feel very fortunate to be in a position where along with my team embark on such challenging requirements, large projects deployments."
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    "text": "We start from the beginning working with customers understanding their requirements focusing and zeroing into what they need for engineering best practices, of course for us."
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    "text": "Security comes first as well as quality."
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    "text": "So every step throughout the project we continue to build this in We continue to verify it and check point And of course dialogue with customer continues through out."
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    "text": "That's a really important piece."
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    "text": "That is good unto itself."
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    "text": "Maintaining that dialogue with the customer all along, it sometimes gets forgotten when people get wrapped up in their projects as well."
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    "text": "so we are an era of enormous and high-speed change not just simply in cloud but also quantum."
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    "text": "what challenges do you see coming up maybe specifically with regards to those categories?"
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    "text": "or I"
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    "text": "think throughout my career, throughout my life there have been junctions like this where we see quick and expansive changes."
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    "text": "So i was part of the internet boom when i had just finished university."
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    "text": "that was a time of very fast change Of course everything that happened financially as well."
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    "text": "so in terms of what do-what do i see?"
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    "text": "I would say that AI is very exciting, it's an area certainly making a big impact and i believe will continue to do so."
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    "text": "What really stands out in terms of engineering will be critical thinking And the ability to use such tools The best way we can for our products, solutions or everyday work because it can easily appear as though this is going to be something that's gonna solve all of our problems."
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    "text": "When I don't believe that's the case, i do think that scientific thinking That Is part Of Our Everyday and Engineering Needs To Continue, The Critical Thinking In Terms What Responses You're Getting?"
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    "text": "What Prompts Your Giving To The Tools...I Think That Will Continue To Be Very Important Actually Much More So."
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    "text": "And in terms Post-Quantum Again This Is A Very Exciting Time And of course, our products are leading the field in terms of deploying the algorithms required for customers to protect their data."
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    "text": "It's already something that we're looking at working and generating patents so it is a really exciting time."
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    "text": "It's very exciting that you said critical thinking as a key element here because often when we think about engineering and science, We think just primarily about the doings of those practices."
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    "text": "In the days before COVID lockdowns, when people were talking about the future of work."
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    "text": "One thing that was a standard amongst all big thinkers and companies is soft skills such as critical thinking even in emotional intelligence will be things to carry today."
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    "text": "so it's terrific hear you demonstrating this again how important that is."
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    "text": "counterbalance speed efficiency like AI for example which Remarkable at what it does, but is still a limited and mechanical approach."
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    "text": "So the reinforcement of your requirements for critical thinking skills Is something that I think is really useful For people to hear?"
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    "text": "That we are not put out To see being replaced solely by the machinery itself."
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    "text": "so those Are of course some exciting projects you're looking into The future."
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    "text": "four just going back again Not too younger women engineers specifically as female engineers But For those who are of any age, who are interested in moving forward into this area."
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    "text": "In addition to critical thinking... Are there other kinds of skills?"
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    "text": "Either technical skills or soft skill ones that seem unrelated to the practice That you would be interested and seeing if somebody put their resume across your desk Obviously want see primary abilities fill a position."
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    "text": "But what others things will raise eyebrows positive way say yeah!"
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    "text": "This is interesting in this particular person?"
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    "text": "I would say that, In this field it's very important to be curious."
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    "text": "Maintaining an open mind and curiosity is very important."
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    "text": "So if there was something highlighting quality that would really stand out."
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    "text": "In addition, a lot of the times with the work we do."
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    "text": "you don't have The ability to be able to know everything so You're going to have to start somewhere."
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    "text": "So having that innate desire To try something new learn Something New and dig your heels in And Be curious about the topic We really pride ourselves in having a really great team here of colleagues that are able to support each other."
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    "text": "So I think collaboration is also really important, having the ability to learn and specialize your skills while at the same time having the opportunity know when it's to your colleagues."
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    "text": "So sharing knowledge with others, expanding our group as a whole and elevating us all together I think that would be something really important in the resume."
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    "text": "so if there was some thing in their what speak to sharing their knowledge being open new ideas or learning concepts able navigate when you don't have answers need find them and work, of course as part of a larger team."
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    "text": "It reminds me something that Satya Nadella was quoted as saying which is today's leaders don't need to be know-it-alls they need to learn it all right."
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    "text": "so willingness to learn this I think people are discovering."
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    "text": "So it leads the next question because you've now described important issues like curiosity and tenacity as well, the willingness to dig in your heels."
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    "text": "And take something on it be willing to learn and being willing to recognize."
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    "text": "You don't have all the answers right?"
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    "text": "Now those again are excellent personal attributes for any engineer and scientist."
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    "text": "But what about leadership challenges?"
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    "text": "Because a lot of people who go into this field Are perhaps focused on the data focus on the process focused on The science but may not people, they may not have that sense of the emotional awareness."
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    "text": "Have you observed great examples?"
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    "text": "You don't need to give any names or course but Great Examples Role Models Of Great Leaders in the Scientific and Technical Fields That Would Deliver Some Attributes That Again Other Leaders Interested In Developing Their Skills Would Benefit From Right Now"
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    "text": "Absolutely, I've been very fortunate throughout my career to have some fantastic leaders that i think have really helped shape the way that I behave and work with my teams today."
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    "text": "of everyone in your team."
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    "text": "I think what's really important is to work with the individual, understand what it is that they're looking for?"
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    "text": "I think that's been one of the most critical skills, than i've seen in others and have tried to mirror."
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    "text": "Isn't that wonderful?"
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    "text": "Because what you're doing there is changing the perspective of a leader from someone who was like pulling a crowd along towards goal to actually being immersed in that crowd, understand individuals."
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    "text": "I mean... That's the essence of great leadership."
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    "start": 977.18,
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    "text": "certainly by way described it as just perfect and focusing on their needs or passions but this again often overlooked when you have subject matter experts tight timelines high pressure."
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    "start": 992.72,
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    "text": "So this offers a very broad and complete spectrum of advice."
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    "start": 998.24,
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    "text": "Is there anything else you would like to give our listeners, in addition to what you have already shared?"
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  {
    "start": 1003.62,
    "end": 1011.6,
    "text": "If it has not come across throughout the podcast I'd like to highlight how amazing this profession is."
  },
  {
    "start": 1012.22,
    "end": 1016.58,
    "text": "so a career in engineering for me hasn't been incredibly rewarding."
  },
  {
    "start": 1017.12,
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    "text": "having passionate, intelligent group of people that are releasing incredible products to the market."
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    "start": 1029.24,
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    "text": "That are helping people in their everyday lives as well as The opportunity to learn about so many different concepts and technologies And being able to do that every day it has been incredibly rewarding for me."
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    "text": "I would encourage anybody that is interested in being in a field where you're able to come in every day and face many challenges indeed but also are able to learn about the most cutting technology, work with a great team of people."
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  {
    "start": 1065.4,
    "end": 1067.22,
    "text": "For me it has been truly rewarding."
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  {
    "start": 1067.98,
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    "text": "Deborah It has been an absolute pleasure learning from you and hearing your experiences, and your incredible wisdom for how people can pursue their careers going forward."
  },
  {
    "start": 1077.86,
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    "text": "Thank you so much for joining us here today on the Dallas Security Sessions podcast!"
  },
  {
    "start": 1092.78,
    "end": 1100.88,
    "text": "Remember, if you like what's your hear be sure to subscribe and tell a friend or colleague or client about the Tallis Security Sessions podcast."
  },
  {
    "start": 1101.72,
    "end": 1109.46,
    "text": "We will back again soon with another episode on topics that need to know about to successfully carry-on in the business of information security."
  },
  {
    "start": 1110.4,
    "end": 1112.24,
    "text": "Until then I'm Steve Prentice."
  },
  {
    "start": 1113.3,
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    "text": "Thanks for listening."
  }
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