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    "text": "This episode is provided by Thomas Allgeier and Frennis, based on the most relevant LinkedIn posts about sustainability and green ICT in CWO two and O three."
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    "text": "Frennis supports ICT enterprises with market and competitive intelligence, decoding green software developments, benchmarking emerging standards, tracking regulatory shifts and analyzing competitor strategies."
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    "start": 22.98,
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    "text": "So welcome back to the deep dive."
  },
  {
    "start": 25.76,
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    "text": "Today, we're digging into calendar weeks two and three of twenty twenty six."
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  {
    "start": 30.58,
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    "text": "And I have to say, looking through the posts, the whole tone, it just feels different."
  },
  {
    "start": 35.38,
    "end": 38.12,
    "text": "Like the industry is waking up to a really loud alarm clock."
  },
  {
    "start": 38.32,
    "end": 39.5,
    "text": "That is a perfect way to put it."
  },
  {
    "start": 39.58,
    "end": 39.74,
    "text": "Yeah."
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  {
    "start": 39.88,
    "end": 45.02,
    "text": "You know, for so long, sustainability in tech felt like, like a separate department, right?"
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  {
    "start": 45.06,
    "end": 45.64,
    "text": "Quotely siloed."
  },
  {
    "start": 45.78,
    "end": 46.08,
    "text": "Exactly."
  },
  {
    "start": 46.12,
    "end": 49.76,
    "text": "You had your core strategy and then, you know, once a year, you put out the sustainability report."
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  {
    "start": 50.34,
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    "text": "But what we're seeing now."
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  {
    "start": 51.88,
    "end": 54.42,
    "text": "It feels like those two worlds have just slammed into each other."
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    "start": 54.58,
    "end": 54.74,
    "text": "Yeah,"
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  {
    "start": 54.98,
    "end": 57.12,
    "text": "it doesn't feel like we're just talking about compliance anymore."
  },
  {
    "start": 57.36,
    "end": 57.78,
    "text": "Not at all."
  },
  {
    "start": 57.9,
    "end": 61.18,
    "text": "I mean, this isn't about recycling bins or, you know, printing double-sided."
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    "start": 61.94,
    "end": 64.86,
    "text": "We are talking about the fundamental architecture of our digital world."
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    "start": 65.22,
    "end": 66.5,
    "text": "And the physical survival of it."
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  {
    "start": 66.58,
    "end": 66.76,
    "text": "Yes."
  },
  {
    "start": 66.84,
    "end": 66.96,
    "text": "Yeah."
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    "start": 67.34,
    "end": 77.78,
    "text": "It's a head-on collision between this massive exponential energy appetite of AI and the very real, very physical limits of our power grids."
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  {
    "start": 78.46,
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    "text": "and our water supplies."
  },
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    "start": 79.64,
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    "text": "It's become an engineering crisis as much as a climate one."
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  {
    "start": 82.18,
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    "text": "We have a lot to get through today."
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  {
    "start": 83.86,
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    "text": "I mean, from this energy blind spot of AI to some really surprising things like wooden data centers."
  },
  {
    "start": 90.46,
    "end": 92.46,
    "text": "Oh, that financial case study is going to turn some heads too."
  },
  {
    "start": 93.36,
    "end": 95.08,
    "text": "But yeah, we have to start with a big picture first."
  },
  {
    "start": 95.12,
    "end": 95.24,
    "text": "Let's"
  },
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    "start": 95.32,
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    "text": "do it."
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    "text": "So, theme one, the AI energy paradox in, well... all the risks that come with it."
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    "start": 101.56,
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    "text": "We saw a really striking post from Azra Alam that frames this perfectly."
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    "start": 105.96,
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    "text": "He calls it a massive energy blind spot."
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    "start": 108.12,
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    "text": "This is"
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    "start": 108.54,
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    "text": "such a critical concept."
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    "start": 110.44,
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    "text": "Alam points out this paradox that I think catches a lot of people off guard."
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    "start": 114.7,
    "end": 115.0,
    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "If you look at the technical progress in just three years, the cost of AI inference, that's the compute you need to actually use a model, has dropped by a factor of a thousand."
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    "text": "It's become incredibly efficient."
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    "start": 125.98,
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    "text": "And in almost any other industry, if you make something a thousand times more efficient, your resource use goes way down."
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    "start": 131.96,
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    "text": "It"
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    "start": 132.1,
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    "text": "goes down."
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    "start": 132.56,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 133.54,
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    "text": "But here we have the Jevons paradox."
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    "start": 135.76,
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    "text": "When a resource like Compute gets cheaper, demand doesn't just stay flat."
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    "start": 140.24,
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    "text": "It explodes."
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    "start": 141.86,
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    "text": "All on highlights that because it's so cheap to use AI, we're putting it everywhere."
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    "start": 145.88,
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    "text": "So while the unit cost is down, the total energy consumption is just."
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    "text": "skyrocketing."
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    "text": "He had some numbers that were frankly hard to process."
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    "text": "He said global data center electricity is set to more than double to nine hundred and forty five terawatt hours by twenty"
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    "text": "thirty."
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    "text": "Just to put that number in perspective nine hundred and forty five terawatt hours is it's roughly the annual electricity use of a major industrial country like Japan."
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    "start": 169.98,
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    "text": "So we're adding a new Japan to the grid just for servers."
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    "start": 172.68,
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    "text": "We basically are."
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    "start": 174.06,
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    "text": "And he drilled down on the U.S."
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    "start": 175.38,
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    "text": "saying data centers could go from four percent of national electricity to maybe twelve percent."
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    "start": 179.44,
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    "text": "It's not a small increase."
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    "start": 180.72,
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    "text": "That is a structural change to the entire grid."
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    "start": 182.92,
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    "text": "A huge change."
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    "start": 184.32,
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    "text": "And John Beger added another layer to this."
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    "start": 186.84,
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    "text": "He noted that we focus on inference, the user side, but the training of these models is an industrial beast."
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    "start": 192.72,
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    "text": "Right."
  },
  {
    "start": 193.06,
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    "text": "The initial build."
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    "start": 194.32,
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    "text": "Training a frontier model now uses electricity comparable to you know, a national infrastructure project."
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    "start": 200.6,
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    "text": "This isn't light software anymore."
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    "start": 202.6,
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    "text": "It's heavy industry that just happens to be digital."
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    "start": 204.7,
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    "text": "Heavy industry with a very sleek UI."
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    "start": 207.74,
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    "text": "But underneath, it's all heat, metal, and electricity."
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    "start": 211.44,
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    "text": "And speaking of heat, that brings us to the other resource Masoud Barakzai brought up, water."
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    "start": 216.98,
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    "text": "Yeah, this is the wet cost of AI."
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    "start": 219.18,
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    "text": "It gets overlooked all the time."
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    "start": 221.14,
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    "text": "Data centers are incredibly hot."
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    "start": 223.18,
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    "text": "And to cool them, many systems evaporate huge volumes of fresh water."
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    "start": 228.24,
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    "text": "Barakzai said the consumption now rivals the entire global bottled water industry."
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    "start": 232.64,
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    "text": "That's"
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    "start": 232.98,
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    "text": "a staggering visual."
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    "start": 234.06,
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    "text": "So every time I'm chatting with an AI, somewhere a tiny invisible bottle of water is being poured out to keep the servers cool."
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    "start": 240.06,
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    "text": "That's essentially it."
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  {
    "start": 241.02,
    "end": 241.2,
    "text": "Yes."
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    "start": 241.58,
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    "text": "And in places already facing drought, I mean, this becomes a huge political issue."
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    "start": 245.4,
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    "text": "You've got data centers competing with farms for water."
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    "start": 247.82,
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    "text": "Which explains why the tone from the financial side is shifting."
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    "start": 250.94,
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    "text": "We saw Inel again talking about investor sentiment."
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    "start": 254.18,
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    "text": "The vibe has definitely changed in the boardrooms."
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    "start": 256.86,
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    "text": "Lagenz says investors are now demanding to know the footprint per use case."
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    "start": 261.24,
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    "text": "So it's a license to operate issue."
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  {
    "start": 263.24,
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    "text": "It is."
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    "start": 263.7,
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    "text": "You can't just pitch a cool AI tool anymore."
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    "start": 267.38,
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    "text": "If the metabolic cost of that tool is too high, the capital is just going to walk away."
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    "start": 272.0,
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    "text": "Yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 272.38,
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    "text": "Because it's a risk."
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  {
    "start": 273.04,
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    "text": "That's"
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  {
    "start": 273.32,
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    "text": "huge risk."
  },
  {
    "start": 274.18,
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    "text": "Precisely."
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  {
    "start": 275.38,
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    "text": "And Nolan Gadard took that risk assessment even further."
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    "start": 278.22,
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    "text": "She argues we're facing a compound threat."
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    "start": 281.0,
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    "text": "It's not just climate risk."
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    "start": 282.82,
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    "text": "It's climate plus cyber plus AI risk."
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    "start": 285.76,
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    "text": "all tangled together."
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  {
    "start": 286.9,
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    "text": "So how does that work?"
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    "start": 287.84,
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    "text": "Like a chain reaction?"
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    "start": 288.98,
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    "text": "Yeah,"
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  {
    "start": 289.2,
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    "text": "imagine a cyber attack on a power grid that's already strained by AI demand, all happening during a climate change driven heat wave."
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    "start": 296.0,
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    "text": "It's a cascading failure."
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    "start": 297.88,
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    "text": "Godard's point is that this creates an insurance gap."
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    "start": 300.64,
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    "text": "Insurers are looking at this mess and saying, This is becoming uninsurable."
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    "start": 304.7,
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    "text": "It's a pressure from all sides."
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    "start": 306.1,
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    "text": "The grid, the water, the insurers."
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    "start": 307.82,
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    "text": "We can't just keep building the same way, which, I mean, is a perfect segue to our second theme."
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    "start": 312.96,
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    "text": "Green infrastructure."
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  {
    "start": 314.12,
    "end": 315.5,
    "text": "Yes, this is a crucial pivot."
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  {
    "start": 316.06,
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    "text": "PS Lee introduced a concept I think we're going to hear a lot more about."
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    "start": 318.8,
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    "text": "He says, we need to stop viewing data centers as AI factories."
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    "start": 322.58,
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    "text": "A factory that doesn't apply, you know, a one-way street."
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    "start": 326.16,
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    "text": "Raw materials in, product doubt, waste out the back."
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  {
    "start": 329.16,
    "end": 329.68,
    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 330.34,
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    "text": "Lee argues we should treat them as climate assets."
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    "start": 333.06,
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    "text": "Okay, that sounds like a great rebrand, but what does that mean in practice?"
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    "start": 336.62,
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    "text": "How does a building full of servers become a climate asset?"
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    "start": 340.0,
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    "text": "It means the facility is designed to solve energy problems, not just create them."
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    "start": 345.12,
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    "text": "For one, designing for two hundred and forty seven carbon free energy."
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    "start": 349.28,
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    "text": "But the really big one is treating waste heat as a resource."
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    "start": 352.78,
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    "text": "Great capturing all that heat."
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    "start": 354.2,
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    "text": "Yeah,"
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    "start": 354.84,
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    "text": "if you can capture that heat and pipe it into a district heating system for homes or use it in greenhouses, you turn a waste product into a revenue stream."
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    "text": "You actually integrate the data center into the community."
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    "start": 365.44,
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    "text": "That's"
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    "start": 365.7,
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    "text": "the ideal."
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    "start": 366.28,
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    "text": "But the transition is messy."
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    "start": 367.98,
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    "text": "Anna Leonard-Nesbitt shared a reality check from Phoenix, Arizona that really stuck with me."
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    "start": 371.88,
    "end": 373.34,
    "text": "The Phoenix story is fascinating."
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    "start": 373.42,
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    "text": "It's a perfect example of what she calls the decarbonization paradox."
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    "start": 377.24,
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    "text": "So laid out for us, Phoenix is a desert, tons of sun, so lots of solar potential, but a huge data center boom."
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    "text": "A massive boom."
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    "start": 386.86,
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    "text": "They have thirty thousand megawatts of data center requests in the queue."
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    "start": 391.12,
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    "text": "That's four times their current peak load."
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    "start": 393.24,
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    "text": "Wow."
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    "start": 394.26,
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    "text": "And the paradox is, despite all that new solar power, emissions are actually going up."
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  {
    "start": 399.26,
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    "text": "How"
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    "start": 399.5,
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    "text": "is that even"
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    "start": 400.04,
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    "text": "possible?"
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    "start": 400.84,
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    "text": "It's the timing."
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    "text": "Solar is intermittent."
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    "start": 403.2,
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    "text": "It works when the sun shines, but AI data centers are always on."
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    "start": 407.48,
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    "text": "They have a flat high load, two forty seven."
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    "start": 410.92,
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    "text": "So when the sun goes down, they still need massive power and the utilities have to fire up gas plans to cover that night shift."
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    "start": 417.18,
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    "text": "So adding renewables doesn't automatically clean up the grid if the demand doesn't match when the power is being made."
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    "start": 423.06,
    "end": 423.48,
    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 423.54,
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    "text": "It's a grid jam."
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  {
    "start": 424.96,
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    "text": "But while the energy side is tricky... We did see some really cool innovation on the construction side, less about power, more about materials."
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    "start": 432.64,
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    "text": "Carl Rabe was posting about wooden data centers."
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    "start": 435.22,
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    "text": "I have to admit, wooden data centers sounds like a fire hazard from the eighteen hundreds, but this is high tech, right?"
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    "start": 440.96,
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    "text": "Yeah, we aren't talking about log cabin."
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    "text": "This is engineered timber, like cross laminated timber."
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    "text": "It's incredibly strong and fire resistant."
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    "start": 447.8,
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    "text": "But the key is what's called embodied carbon."
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    "text": "That's the carbon emitted just to make the building materials in the first place."
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    "start": 453.72,
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    "text": "Correct."
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    "start": 454.56,
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    "text": "Concrete and steel are incredibly carbon intensive."
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    "start": 458.1,
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    "text": "Wood stores carbon."
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    "start": 460.04,
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    "text": "RABE even calls using Timber a status symbol."
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    "start": 463.76,
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    "text": "It signals you're thinking about the entire life cycle, not just operations."
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  {
    "start": 467.24,
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    "text": "And Victor Patek added to this with the trend of prefabricated data centers."
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    "start": 471.38,
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    "text": "Oh, prefab is the unsung hero here."
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    "start": 473.74,
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    "text": "Instead of a messy construction site, you build modular units in a factory."
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    "start": 477.66,
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    "text": "Patek notes that prefab generates over fifty percent less embodied carbon per square meter than a traditional concrete build."
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    "start": 484.84,
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    "text": "It's faster, cleaner, just much less wasteful."
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    "start": 488.78,
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    "text": "But sometimes it's not how you build but where."
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    "start": 491.46,
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    "text": "Alice Edge shared a great example of vivo power buying a hydropower data center in Norway."
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  {
    "start": 496.5,
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    "text": "This"
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  {
    "start": 496.66,
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    "text": "goes right back to the climate asset idea."
  },
  {
    "start": 498.54,
    "end": 499.38,
    "text": "It's about geography."
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    "start": 500.02,
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    "text": "If you're training a huge AI model, it doesn't need to be in downtown Phoenix."
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    "start": 503.44,
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    "text": "You don't need low latency for training."
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    "text": "So you move the compute to the power."
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    "text": "And Norway has tons of hydropower and natural cooling."
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "text": "Instead of bringing the power to the data center, you take the data center to the power."
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    "text": "You create a sustainable ecosystem."
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    "text": "that just isn't possible in a water-stressed desert."
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    "text": "Okay, so we've covered the shell, the timber buildings, the Norwegian hydro plants."
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    "start": 525.76,
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    "text": "Now let's look inside."
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    "text": "Theme three, green software and architecture."
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    "start": 531.1,
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    "text": "This is where the rubber really meets the road for developers."
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    "text": "You can have the greenest building in the world, but if your code is inefficient, you're still wasting energy."
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    "text": "Anita Schutler made a compelling case that software architecture is a climate issue."
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    "text": "She used this comparison of monolithic systems versus verticalization."
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    "start": 549.42,
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    "text": "Can you break that down?"
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    "start": 550.48,
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    "text": "Sure."
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    "start": 551.04,
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    "text": "Think of a monolithic system like a giant factory, where everything, all the lights, all the machines is on a single on-off switch."
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    "start": 557.58,
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    "text": "So even if you just need one little machine, you have to power up the whole building."
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    "text": "You got it."
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    "start": 561.8,
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    "text": "Incredibly wasteful."
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    "start": 563.36,
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    "text": "But that's how a lot of legacy software works."
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    "text": "Verticalizing means you break it down into smaller components, so you only power up the specific resources you need for a specific task."
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    "start": 572.66,
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    "text": "And this isn't just about saving the planet."
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    "start": 574.96,
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    "text": "This is where the money comes back in."
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    "text": "Arwell Owen shared what might be the stat of the week about SAP systems."
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    "start": 581.58,
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    "text": "This"
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    "start": 581.72,
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    "text": "was a massive aha moment."
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    "start": 583.66,
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    "text": "His team managed to cut five million euros from a client's SAP on AWS spend."
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    "start": 589.88,
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    "text": "Wait."
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    "start": 590.32,
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    "text": "Five million euros?"
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  {
    "start": 591.3,
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    "text": "That is not"
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  {
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    "text": "pocket change."
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  {
    "start": 592.76,
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    "text": "Not at all."
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    "start": 593.66,
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    "text": "And they did it just by applying fine ops and green computing principles."
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    "start": 596.78,
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    "text": "It just proves that green IT is in a charity project."
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    "start": 599.52,
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    "text": "It's a profitability strategy."
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    "start": 601.5,
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    "text": "When you optimize your code, you are directly cutting your OPEX."
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    "start": 605.22,
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    "text": "That's the argument that gets the CFO on board."
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    "start": 607.64,
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    "text": "You tell them it's green, they smile, you tell them it saves five million euros, they sign the check."
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    "start": 612.6,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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  {
    "start": 613.66,
    "end": 615.5,
    "text": "But how do developers actually do this?"
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    "text": "Hannah Herbst emphasized green coding."
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    "start": 618.76,
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    "text": "Is that like a specific language or a methodology?"
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    "text": "It's about optimizing algorithms to lower CPU load, just writing cleaner, tighter code."
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    "text": "But Nicholas Sundberg added another layer, moving from code to operations."
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    "text": "He talks about workload placement."
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    "start": 633.64,
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    "text": "That sounds like the digital version of the Norway example."
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    "start": 636.36,
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    "text": "It is."
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    "start": 637.44,
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    "text": "Sundberg says we need to be smart about when and where we run big jobs."
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    "start": 641.46,
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    "text": "If it's not time sensitive, don't run it at six p.m."
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    "start": 644.12,
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    "text": "when the grid is dirty."
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    "start": 645.42,
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    "text": "run it at two a.m."
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    "start": 646.26,
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    "text": "when the wind is blowing, or move the job to a region with a cleaner grid."
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    "start": 650.64,
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    "text": "To do that, you need to know which regions are green."
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    "text": "Kevin Leslie from GreenPixie shared a tool for this, the cloud region scorecard."
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    "start": 657.94,
    "end": 659.32,
    "text": "Transparency is everything here."
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    "text": "You can't manage what you don't measure."
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    "start": 668.0,
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    "text": "So a developer can look and say, OK, US East is a D, but this region in Canada is an A plus E. I'll deploy there."
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    "text": "It empowers engineers to make those micro decisions that add up, and we're seeing this get more formal too."
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    "text": "David Kot mentioned the KDI open source framework received the Blue Angel certification."
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    "text": "The Blue Angel is a big deal in Europe."
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    "start": 688.28,
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    "start": 693.0,
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    "text": "These are becoming standardized, verifiable metrics."
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    "start": 695.74,
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    "text": "Okay, so we've covered the huge infrastructure and the invisible code, but we can't ignore the stuff we can actually touch."
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    "text": "Theme four brings us to circularity and the devices on our desks."
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    "start": 707.44,
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    "text": "Yeah, this is often the forgotten piece."
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    "start": 709.0,
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    "text": "We talk about the cloud, but we access it through plastic, glass, and rare earth minerals."
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    "text": "Rudd Neal had a great post about circular computing."
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    "text": "He was talking about remanufactured laptops, and he made a really important distinction between remanufactured and just, you know, used."
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    "start": 724.62,
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    "text": "That distinction is critical."
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    "text": "A CTO isn't going to give their team beat up laptops."
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    "text": "Neil argues that true re-manufacturing restores the device to like new or even better than new performance."
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    "start": 736.7,
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    "text": "It removes the trade off."
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    "text": "So you get a top tier machine, but you haven't had to dig up a mine for new cobalt?"
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    "start": 742.34,
    "end": 742.86,
    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 743.3,
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    "text": "And Nabil K reinforced this with a concept he calls digital sobriety."
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    "start": 747.52,
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    "text": "I love"
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  {
    "start": 747.86,
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    "text": "that"
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    "text": "term."
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    "start": 748.38,
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    "text": "It's a simple but powerful idea."
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    "text": "The most sustainable device is the one you already own."
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    "text": "We have this culture of constant refresh cycles."
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    "text": "Digital sobriety just challenges that."
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    "start": 758.14,
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    "text": "Do you actually need the upgrade or do you just want it?"
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    "start": 760.96,
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    "text": "Speaking of habits, Graham Donnelly offered a really interesting checklist for remote businesses."
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    "start": 766.82,
    "end": 769.3,
    "text": "And he dropped a fact about pensions that honestly blew"
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    "start": 769.38,
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    "text": "my mind."
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  {
    "start": 769.86,
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    "text": "The twenty-one X stat."
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    "start": 771.0,
    "end": 771.2,
    "text": "Yes."
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    "start": 771.46,
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    "text": "He said, moving your pension to a sustainable fund can have twenty-one times the impact of giving up flying."
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    "start": 777.08,
    "end": 778.34,
    "text": "It's all about leverage, right?"
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    "start": 778.5,
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    "text": "We focus on our visible actions recycling."
  },
  {
    "start": 780.94,
    "end": 781.68,
    "text": "skipping a flight."
  },
  {
    "start": 782.34,
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    "text": "But the capital markets are the engine room."
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    "start": 784.94,
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    "text": "If your pension fund is invested in fossil fuels, your money is working against your goals while you sleep."
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    "start": 790.52,
    "end": 792.28,
    "text": "Redirecting that capital is huge."
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    "start": 792.6,
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    "text": "Donnelly also mentioned decarbonizing your data, basically deleting old emails and cloud junk."
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    "start": 799.0,
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    "text": "Digital hygiene."
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    "start": 799.98,
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    "text": "I think we're all guilty of this."
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  {
    "start": 801.5,
    "end": 803.44,
    "text": "Retreat cloud storage like it's infinite."
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    "start": 804.0,
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    "text": "But every gigabyte of useless data on a server is drawing power every second of every day."
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    "start": 808.98,
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    "text": "My inbox is basically a digital archaeological site."
  },
  {
    "start": 811.74,
    "end": 812.86,
    "text": "I definitely need to do some cleaning."
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  {
    "start": 813.06,
    "end": 813.66,
    "text": "It all ends up."
  },
  {
    "start": 813.92,
    "end": 815.66,
    "text": "So let's try to pull all of this together."
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    "text": "We've looked at the AI energy crisis, the shift to climate asset infrastructure, the profitability of green software, and the circular economy."
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    "start": 824.14,
    "end": 824.86,
    "text": "What's the big takeaway?"
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    "start": 825.26,
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    "text": "I think the best way to wrap this is with a thought from Lubamla Jordanova, who analyzed the WEF global risks report."
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    "start": 833.14,
    "end": 835.26,
    "text": "She talks about something called the horizon gap."
  },
  {
    "start": 835.54,
    "end": 838.62,
    "text": "The horizon gap sounds ominous."
  },
  {
    "start": 838.96,
    "end": 840.64,
    "text": "It is, but it's also a call to action."
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    "start": 841.22,
    "end": 848.26,
    "text": "The horizon gap is this disconnect between what companies are doing right now and what the data says they need to be doing for the next decade."
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  {
    "start": 848.8,
    "end": 851.52,
    "text": "So companies are reacting to the noise right in front of them."
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  {
    "start": 851.88,
    "end": 854.46,
    "text": "Trade wars, the latest AI hype."
  },
  {
    "start": 854.96,
    "end": 856.22,
    "text": "hitting quarterly numbers."
  },
  {
    "start": 856.5,
    "end": 856.84,
    "text": "Exactly."
  },
  {
    "start": 857.06,
    "end": 859.06,
    "text": "They're optimizing for short-term volatility."
  },
  {
    "start": 859.66,
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    "text": "But if you look at the ten-year outlook in that report, environmental risks completely dominate."
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    "start": 864.48,
    "end": 869.64,
    "text": "Jordan Nova's point is that our short-term reactions are feeling to align with long-term reality."
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  {
    "start": 869.98,
    "end": 870.78,
    "text": "That's a heavy thought."
  },
  {
    "start": 870.94,
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    "text": "It implies we might be efficient today, but we aren't building resilience for twenty thirty-five."
  },
  {
    "start": 875.24,
    "end": 875.58,
    "text": "That's"
  },
  {
    "start": 875.64,
    "end": 876.88,
    "text": "the question I'd leave listeners with."
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    "start": 877.28,
    "end": 880.04,
    "text": "Are your current tech efficiencies actually building resilience?"
  },
  {
    "start": 880.82,
    "end": 886.16,
    "text": "Or are you just optimizing a system that won't survive the regulatory and physical climate of the next decade?"
  },
  {
    "start": 886.5,
    "end": 889.82,
    "text": "It pushes the conversation way beyond just being green."
  },
  {
    "start": 890.14,
    "end": 891.46,
    "text": "It's about being future-proof."
  },
  {
    "start": 892.36,
    "end": 898.6,
    "text": "If your entire AI strategy relies on cheap infinite energy and water, you might be building on sand."
  },
  {
    "start": 898.8,
    "end": 899.22,
    "text": "Precisely."
  },
  {
    "start": 899.74,
    "end": 902.38,
    "text": "The winners in the next decade won't just be the fastest."
  },
  {
    "start": 902.44,
    "end": 904.46,
    "text": "They'll be the ones who close that horizon gap."
  },
  {
    "start": 904.72,
    "end": 910.36,
    "text": "Well, on that note, we have plenty to think about before we upgrade our next laptop or deploy our next AI model."
  },
  {
    "start": 910.72,
    "end": 911.22,
    "text": "Indeed."
  },
  {
    "start": 911.96,
    "end": 915.78,
    "text": "It's a challenging time, but seeing all this innovation, it's also a very exciting"
  },
  {
    "start": 915.88,
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    "text": "one."
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