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    "text": "This episode is provided by Thomas Allgeier and Frennis, based on the most relevant LinkedIn posts about KI fabric."
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    "text": "Frennis supports ICT enterprises with market and competitive intelligence, decoding emerging technologies, customer insights, regulatory shifts, and competitor strategies."
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    "text": "So product teams and strategy leaders don't just react, but shape the future."
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    "text": "Hello, everyone."
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    "start": 22.58,
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    "text": "So today we are heading to Munich."
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    "text": "We're looking at a moment that Well, if you believe the sources might be looked back on, as the day Europe stopped just talking about AI."
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    "start": 33.86,
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    "text": "And actually started building the industrial engine for it."
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    "start": 37.52,
    "end": 37.92,
    "text": "Exactly."
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    "text": "We're talking about the launch of the KI fabric, the AI factory, and the industrial AI cloud."
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    "text": "Now, usually when I hear data center launch, I prepare myself for a nap."
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    "text": "It's usually just a press release about square footage and server racks."
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    "text": "But the reaction to this on LinkedIn has been..."
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    "start": 54.76,
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    "text": "It"
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    "text": "feels heavier, more urgent."
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    "text": "We've got mentions of sovereignty, control dynamics, and industrial revolution."
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    "start": 62.52,
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    "text": "So our mission today is to cut through the corporate speak."
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    "start": 65.72,
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    "text": "We need to figure out why this specific building in Munich is being called a geopolitical turning point."
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    "start": 73.2,
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    "text": "What's actually humming inside those server racks."
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    "text": "And my absolute favorite part, which we will get to, how they are cooling this thing with."
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    "start": 81.86,
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    "text": "Surfing."
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    "start": 82.52,
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    "text": "Yes."
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    "text": "The surfing connection is real."
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    "start": 84.82,
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    "text": "But you're right about the weight of this."
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    "start": 86.56,
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    "text": "I mean, this isn't just a facility."
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    "start": 88.28,
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    "text": "It's a statement of intent."
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    "start": 90.0,
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    "text": "We are seeing a convergence of hardware, software, and political strategy all in one place."
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    "start": 96.84,
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    "text": "Okay, let's start with the big picture."
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    "start": 98.46,
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    "text": "The why."
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    "text": "If you scroll through the commentary, the word that keeps popping up isn't speed or efficiency."
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    "text": "It's sovereignty."
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    "text": "Why is everyone so obsessed with that word right now?"
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    "start": 107.9,
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    "text": "Because for the last decade, Europe has been in a bit of a bind."
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    "text": "If you were a German car manufacturer or a pharmaceutical company and you want to top tier AI compute You largely had to rent it from"
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    "text": "the US or China"
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    "start": 120.78,
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    "text": "you were sending your data your most valuable intellectual property Into jurisdictions where you had zero control, right?"
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    "text": "It's like renting a storage unit for your family heirlooms, but the landlord lives in a different country and has a key perfect"
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    "text": "analogy and The sources covering this launch are saying that era is ending."
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    "text": "The narrative is shifting from, let's say, experimentation"
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    "text": "industrial execution."
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    "start": 144.14,
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    "text": "The scale really backs that up."
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    "text": "I was reading a post from Tim Hutkes, the CEO of Deutsche Telekom."
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    "start": 149.74,
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    "text": "Oh, yeah."
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    "start": 150.34,
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    "text": "He dropped a number that honestly made me do a double take."
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    "text": "He said, this single AI factory boosts the computing power for industry and innovation by... Fifty percent."
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    "text": "We aren't talking about a five percent marginal gain."
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    "start": 164.5,
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    "text": "That is a step change for an entire economy."
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    "start": 167.1,
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    "text": "It is."
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    "start": 167.96,
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    "text": "But you have to look at what that power is for."
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    "text": "Dr."
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    "text": "Ferry Albalasen, who posted quite a bit about this, kept hammering home this idea of practical applications."
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    "start": 177.42,
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    "text": "Okay."
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    "text": "He's making a distinction here."
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    "text": "This isn't some university lab for theoretical physics."
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    "text": "And he explicitly linked that power to data sovereignty."
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    "text": "So practically speaking, what does that mean for a business?"
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    "text": "It means you can finally train your AI models on your own proprietary data, your trade secrets, without that data ever leaving the legal framework of Germany."
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    "text": "It removes that fear that stops companies from adopting AI in the first place."
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    "text": "That brings up an interesting phrase I saw from Dr."
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    "text": "Jorick Storm."
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    "text": "That sounds incredibly dramatic, like something out of a spy novel."
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    "text": "Is it really that deep?"
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    "text": "Well, in the world of ICT, yes, it is that deep."
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    "text": "Think about it."
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    "text": "Okay."
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    "text": "If your entire economy runs on AI and the AI runs on someone else's computers, you don't really control your economy anymore."
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    "text": "Dr."
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    "text": "And it's not just about Bavaria, is it?"
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    "text": "Fabian Merring was cheering about strengthening Bavaria's innovation hub, which sure, he's a local politician."
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    "start": 243.14,
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    "text": "Right."
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    "start": 243.76,
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    "text": "But the scope seems wider."
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    "text": "It's a driven facility, yes, but the mission is continental."
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    "text": "So that Europe isn't just a client of the U.S."
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    "text": "tech giants, but a real player."
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    "text": "Okay, so we have the why sovereignty control, stopping the data brain drain."
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    "start": 272.34,
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    "text": "But I want to talk about the what?"
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    "text": "You can't build a sovereign cloud out of hopes and dreams."
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    "text": "You need iron."
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    "text": "What is actually inside this building?"
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    "text": "This is where it gets technically interesting, because usually companies piece this stuff together themselves."
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    "text": "But Handelsblatt highlighted the partnership model here."
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    "text": "And it's a very specific trio."
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    "text": "Why is SAP in the mix?"
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    "start": 315.72,
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    "text": "By integrating SAP directly into the stack, they're making it plug and play for industry."
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    "text": "It's not just raw compute."
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    "text": "And speaking of raw compute, let's talk numbers."
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    "text": "Which is a staggering amount of heat and calculation."
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    "text": "Stefan Grishner and Ui Franke both chimed in on this, reiterating that this effectively doubles the AI computing power available in Germany."
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    "text": "That's a great way to put it."
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    "text": "If you don't have the GPUs, you're a developing nation in the digital sense."
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    "text": "It's a very apt analogy."
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    "text": "In the twentieth century, you measured industrial power in steel production or electricity generation."
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    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "In twenty twenty six, you measure it in GPU clusters."
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    "text": "But there was one detail about the launch event itself that I thought was just cool."
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    "text": "And it wasn't a server, it was a robot."
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    "text": "Oh, I did see that."
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    "text": "The Agile One."
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    "text": "Yes."
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    "text": "Tell me about this, because usually these launches are just, you know, men in suits cutting a ribbon with oversized scissors."
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    "start": 381.86,
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    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "But here, they had the Agile One robot help initiate the factory."
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    "text": "It's a great visual, but it's also symbolic."
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    "text": "Usually we have to have the awkward conversation about carbon footprints and energy drains."
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    "text": "For sure."
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    "text": "And that is largely due to the location."
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    "text": "They aren't building a gray concrete bunker in the middle of a cornfield."
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    "text": "And the power source."
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    "text": "PASM framed renewable energy not just as an environmental nice to have, but as a foundation for digital sovereignty."
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    "text": "If your AI factory runs on imported gas, you are vulnerable."
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    "start": 499.66,
    "end": 502.14,
    "text": "If it runs on local renewables, you are secure."
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    "start": 502.38,
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    "text": "Green energy is becoming a national security asset."
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    "text": "Okay, I get the renewable energy part, but we have to talk about the cooling, because Petrodemic shared a detail that is honestly the highlight of my week."
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    "start": 512.46,
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    "text": "The Icebox."
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    "start": 513.179,
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    "text": "The Icebox Dream."
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    "text": "For our listeners who haven't been to Munich, can you explain what the Icebox is?"
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    "start": 518.94,
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    "text": "Because I know it as the place where people put on wetsuits and surf a standing wave in the middle of winter."
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    "start": 524.12,
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    "text": "That is exactly what it is."
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    "text": "It's a man-made river arm flowing through the English Garden."
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    "start": 529.48,
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    "text": "It's famous for surfing, yes, but it is also cold, fast-flowing water."
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    "start": 534.78,
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    "text": "And they're using that to cool the supercomputer."
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    "start": 537.12,
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    "text": "They are."
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    "start": 538.14,
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    "text": "Instead of running massive energy-hungry electric chillers, they're using the natural temperature of the stream to cool the facility."
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    "start": 546.06,
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    "text": "That"
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    "start": 546.22,
    "end": 547.14,
    "text": "is fantastic."
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    "start": 547.46,
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    "text": "My AI is trained on river-cooled GPUs."
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    "start": 550.3,
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    "text": "It sounds... artisanal."
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    "start": 552.38,
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    "text": "It does, doesn't it?"
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    "start": 553.7,
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    "text": "But Kristoffer also pointed out that this is actually innovative real estate."
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    "start": 557.44,
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    "text": "It challenges the idea that data centers have to be these parasitic things that just drain the local grid."
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    "start": 562.54,
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    "text": "By using the stream... they're working with the local geography."
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    "text": "It's smart engineering."
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    "start": 567.44,
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    "text": "And it gives the facility a bit of a soul, I think."
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    "start": 570.04,
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    "text": "It ties it to Munich in a very physical way."
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    "start": 572.66,
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    "text": "Absolutely."
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    "start": 573.32,
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    "text": "So we've got the sovereignty, the political win, we've got the hardware, the GPUs and the robot."
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    "text": "We've got the sustainability, the surfing river."
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    "start": 581.62,
    "end": 583.44,
    "text": "But now I want to ask the skeptical question."
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    "start": 583.8,
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    "text": "Who is this actually for?"
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    "start": 586.1,
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    "text": "Is this just for the Mercedes-Benz's and Siemens of the world?"
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    "start": 590.08,
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    "text": "Or does the little guy get a login."
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  {
    "start": 592.68,
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    "text": "That is the multi-billion euro question."
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    "start": 594.98,
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    "text": "Okay."
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    "text": "And if you look at the LinkedIn chatter, especially from people like Marques Tenbeg and Thomas Franz Joseph-Lancas, they are adamant that this is for the middle stand."
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    "start": 604.12,
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    "text": "The middle stand."
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    "start": 604.8,
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    "text": "Yeah."
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    "start": 604.96,
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    "text": "The small and medium enterprises that basically run the German economy."
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  {
    "start": 608.52,
    "end": 608.8,
    "text": "Correct."
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    "start": 608.94,
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    "text": "The hidden champions."
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    "start": 610.36,
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    "text": "The companies that make the one specific screw for that one specific airplane engine."
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    "start": 615.24,
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    "text": "Historically, these companies have been frozen out of the AI revolution."
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    "start": 618.4,
    "end": 618.66,
    "text": "Ooh."
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    "start": 619.16,
    "end": 620.18,
    "text": "Cost is part of it."
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    "start": 621.16,
    "end": 622.54,
    "text": "But fear is the bigger factor."
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    "start": 623.14,
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    "text": "Like we said, these companies survive on their specialized IP."
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    "text": "They are terrified of uploading their blueprints to a public cloud hosted in Nevada or Shanghai."
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    "start": 631.78,
    "end": 632.38,
    "text": "Oh, right."
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    "text": "Sylvia Luzel noted that this factory is designed to promote cooperation and innovation specifically for these medium-sized businesses."
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    "start": 640.1,
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    "text": "So by stamping made in Germany and hosted in Germany on the cloud, they are lowering the anxiety barrier."
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    "start": 648.22,
    "end": 648.66,
    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 648.96,
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    "text": "It removes the excuse."
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    "text": "Now, a mid-sized CEO can say, OK, the data stays in Munich."
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    "start": 653.38,
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    "text": "The legal framework is German."
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    "start": 655.6,
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    "text": "It opens the door."
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    "text": "There was a term used by Stefan Thun that I think perfectly captures this."
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    "text": "He called it the Germany Stack."
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    "start": 661.88,
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    "text": "Yes, I caught that."
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  {
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    "text": "The Germany Stack."
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    "start": 663.58,
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    "text": "It sounds a bit like a tech sandwich, but I assume he means something more strategic."
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    "start": 668.6,
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    "text": "A little bit more strategic."
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    "text": "In tech, a SCAC is the combination of technologies you use to build an app."
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    "text": "Database server code."
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    "start": 676.16,
    "end": 676.34,
    "text": "Right."
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    "start": 676.76,
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    "text": "By calling it the Germany stack, he's implying a fully integrated vertical infrastructure platform application that is entirely sovereign."
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    "text": "It's a way of branding safety."
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    "start": 687.18,
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    "text": "It tells the middle stand this entire thing is safe for you to use."
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    "start": 690.46,
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    "text": "But safety is only half the battle."
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    "start": 692.24,
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    "text": "You also need to know how to use it to buy."
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    "start": 694.2,
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    "text": "a Steinleger posted about telecom promoting AI workshops alongside the hardware."
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    "start": 699.1,
    "end": 700.3,
    "text": "That feels significant."
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    "start": 700.64,
    "end": 701.18,
    "text": "It is crucial."
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    "start": 701.54,
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    "text": "You can't just dump ten thousand GPUs on the market and hope for the best."
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    "start": 705.48,
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    "text": "Telecom seems to realize that they need to upskill the workforce to actually consume this compute power."
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    "start": 710.42,
    "end": 711.64,
    "text": "It's an ecosystem play."
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  {
    "start": 711.9,
    "end": 712.28,
    "text": "Perfectly."
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    "start": 712.74,
    "end": 714.64,
    "text": "Hardware, software, and the skills to use it."
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  {
    "start": 715.06,
    "end": 716.66,
    "text": "Let's zoom out for our final segment."
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    "start": 716.8,
    "end": 722.28,
    "text": "We've looked at the building, the river, the customers, but what does this mean for the map of Europe?"
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    "start": 722.38,
    "end": 723.78,
    "text": "There's a real sense of urgency here."
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    "start": 724.44,
    "end": 726.62,
    "text": "There is a palpable sense of anxiety driving this."
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    "start": 727.22,
    "end": 729.52,
    "text": "Emma Buckland shared a statistic that really highlights it."
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  {
    "start": 730.1,
    "end": 733.5,
    "text": "She noted that telco offerings with sovereign elements have surged."
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  {
    "start": 734.0,
    "end": 734.7,
    "text": "Surged how much?"
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    "start": 735.28,
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    "text": "They now represent twenty-four percent of new market entries."
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  {
    "start": 738.08,
    "end": 738.4,
    "text": "Wow."
  },
  {
    "start": 738.88,
    "end": 743.4,
    "text": "So nearly a quarter of all new activity is driven by this need for sovereignty."
  },
  {
    "start": 743.78,
    "end": 744.0,
    "text": "Yes."
  },
  {
    "start": 744.64,
    "end": 745.6,
    "text": "That's a massive shift."
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    "start": 746.1,
    "end": 749.12,
    "text": "It tells you that geopolitics is now a product feature."
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  {
    "start": 749.98,
    "end": 752.0,
    "text": "It's not just about price and speed anymore."
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    "start": 752.38,
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    "text": "It's about is this safe from trade wars?"
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    "start": 755.42,
    "end": 757.62,
    "text": "Marianne High has put it pretty bluntly in her post."
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    "start": 757.86,
    "end": 762.58,
    "text": "She basically said Europe must achieve digital sovereignty to ensure economic independence."
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    "text": "It's an existential argument."
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    "start": 764.7,
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    "text": "She's saying that if we don't build this, we become a digital colony."
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    "start": 768.06,
    "end": 769.06,
    "text": "We become dependent."
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    "start": 769.58,
    "end": 773.72,
    "text": "And in a world where supply chains are weaponized, dependency is dangerous."
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    "start": 773.96,
    "end": 776.74,
    "text": "And it doesn't look like they are stopping with just one factory."
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    "start": 776.94,
    "end": 780.0,
    "text": "Marcus Fallenbuck mentioned something about AI gigafactory."
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  {
    "start": 780.08,
    "end": 781.6,
    "text": "That terminology is fascinating, isn't it?"
  },
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    "start": 782.02,
    "end": 784.48,
    "text": "Gigafactory comes from Elon Musk in the battery world."
  },
  {
    "start": 784.62,
    "end": 784.94,
    "text": "Right."
  },
  {
    "start": 785.3,
    "end": 791.5,
    "text": "By co-opting that word, Kellacom and the EU are signaling that AI processing is the new battery power."
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    "start": 791.9,
    "end": 794.36,
    "text": "It is the fundamental energy source for the next economy."
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    "start": 795.4,
    "end": 799.14,
    "text": "And Fellenbuck noted they're competing for EU funding to build more of these."
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    "start": 799.5,
    "end": 801.42,
    "text": "So Munich is just the prototype."
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    "start": 801.78,
    "end": 802.64,
    "text": "The first of a fleet."
  },
  {
    "start": 803.0,
    "end": 803.4,
    "text": "Exactly."
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  {
    "start": 803.94,
    "end": 804.2,
    "text": "Dr."
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  {
    "start": 804.26,
    "end": 809.48,
    "text": "Nicholas Schmidt wrapped it up well when he argued that tech sovereignty thrives through collaboration."
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    "start": 810.14,
    "end": 812.14,
    "text": "He pointed to Tetra Park as the proof."
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    "start": 813.1,
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    "text": "It's a rebuttal to the cynics who said Europe couldn't get attacked together."
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    "start": 816.84,
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    "text": "It's the we can actually build this stuff here moment."
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    "start": 819.62,
    "end": 823.54,
    "text": "It is and that psychological shift is just as important as the GPUs."
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  {
    "start": 823.86,
    "end": 825.28,
    "text": "So let's bring it home for the listener."
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  {
    "start": 825.64,
    "end": 830.28,
    "text": "If you are sitting in an office right now, maybe in product or strategy, what does this all mean for you?"
  },
  {
    "start": 830.46,
    "end": 831.72,
    "text": "It means the menu has changed."
  },
  {
    "start": 832.6,
    "end": 838.44,
    "text": "If you are building digital products in Europe, you no longer have to default to the hyperscalers abroad."
  },
  {
    "start": 839.22,
    "end": 841.8,
    "text": "You have a sovereign option with industrial-grade power."
  },
  {
    "start": 842.04,
    "end": 842.06,
    "text": "So"
  },
  {
    "start": 842.12,
    "end": 843.04,
    "text": "you have to ask yourself."
  },
  {
    "start": 843.28,
    "end": 843.86,
    "text": "You have to ask."
  },
  {
    "start": 843.94,
    "end": 844.04,
    "text": "Yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 844.22,
    "end": 846.82,
    "text": "Is data sovereignty something my customers care about?"
  },
  {
    "start": 847.38,
    "end": 849.62,
    "text": "Because if it is, you now have a way to deliver"
  },
  {
    "start": 849.7,
    "end": 849.76,
    "text": "it."
  },
  {
    "start": 849.88,
    "end": 851.52,
    "text": "And if you are in the middle stand?"
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    "start": 851.62,
    "end": 851.68,
    "text": "If"
  },
  {
    "start": 851.72,
    "end": 854.02,
    "text": "you're in the middle stand, it means the excuse is gone."
  },
  {
    "start": 854.72,
    "end": 856.48,
    "text": "The Germany stack is open for business."
  },
  {
    "start": 857.22,
    "end": 862.38,
    "text": "It's time to stop looking at AI as a sci-fi curiosity and start looking at it as a factory tool."
  },
  {
    "start": 862.82,
    "end": 865.48,
    "text": "It's like a CNC machine or a conveyor belt."
  },
  {
    "start": 866.04,
    "end": 870.62,
    "text": "And hey, if you can cool your data center with a surfing wave, you should absolutely do that."
  },
  {
    "start": 870.86,
    "end": 872.18,
    "text": "That's just good style."
  },
  {
    "start": 872.28,
    "end": 872.88,
    "text": "Always good style."
  },
  {
    "start": 873.1,
    "end": 874.62,
    "text": "It's been a fascinating deep dive."
  },
  {
    "start": 874.76,
    "end": 880.5,
    "text": "It's not every day you get to connect in video chips, surfing rivers and geopolitical strategy in one conversation."
  },
  {
    "start": 880.8,
    "end": 880.9,
    "text": "It"
  },
  {
    "start": 881.16,
    "end": 881.86,
    "text": "certainly isn't."
  },
  {
    "start": 882.1,
    "end": 885.24,
    "text": "If you enjoyed this episode, new episodes drop every two weeks."
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    "start": 885.56,
    "end": 894.96,
    "text": "Also check out our other editions on cloud, defense tech, digital products and services, artificial intelligence, sustainability and green ICT, defense tech and health tech."
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    "start": 895.4,
    "end": 897.72,
    "text": "Thanks for listening and keep shaping the future."
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    "start": 897.86,
    "end": 898.48,
    "text": "Thanks everyone."
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