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    "text": "This episode is provided by Thomas Allgaier and Frennis, based on the most relevant LinkedIn posts about eWorld twenty-twenty six."
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    "text": "Frenis supports ICT enterprises with market and competitive intelligence decoding emerging technologies customer insights regulatory shifts in competitor strategies."
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    "text": "so product teams and strategy leaders don't just react but shape the future."
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    "text": "Welcome to The Deep Dive!"
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    "start": 23.52,
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    "text": "So today we are basically walking the virtual halls of Mesa Essen."
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    "text": "We're going to unpack the big trends from eWorld, twenty-twenty six."
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    "start": 32.64,
    "end": 32.88,
    "text": "Right?"
  },
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    "start": 33.12,
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    "text": "And I have to say looking at all of the LinkedIn commentary we've pulled my whole idea for this event has kind"
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    "text": "of shifted."
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    "start": 38.88,
    "end": 39.64,
    "text": "Oh yeah!"
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    "start": 39.68,
    "end": 39.98,
    "text": "How so?"
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    "end": 45.44,
    "text": "because you know normally think E World is just a lot of suits talking kilowatts and gas pipes."
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    "start": 45.8,
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    "text": "That was The Old World."
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    "start": 47.22,
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    "text": "I mean, that feels like ancient history looking at this stuff."
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    "start": 49.42,
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    "text": "This is much more a massive ICT and tech convergence event."
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    "start": 53.2,
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    "text": "The lines have just completely blurred."
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    "text": "You can't really pull the electron apart from data packet anymore."
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    "start": 58.4,
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    "text": "That's perfect way to put it."
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    "text": "If i had one word Every single source we looked at, it's execution."
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    "text": "Execution not vision or strategy?"
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    "start": 67.92,
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    "text": "No exactly."
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    "text": "in past years It was all flashy slogans."
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    "text": "these big twenty forty targets."
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    "start": 73.24,
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    "text": "You know We should do this."
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    "start": 74.8,
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    "text": "the tone In twenty twenty six feels radically different."
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    "start": 77.98,
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    "text": "okay its way."
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    "start": 78.72,
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    "text": "less we Should and much more."
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    "start": 81.04,
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    "text": "here is how we are doing."
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    "start": 83.28,
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    "text": "Yeah pragmatic decarbonization, digital platforms and the real nuts-and-bolts of it all."
  },
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    "start": 89.92,
    "end": 92.28,
    "text": "We're past the why in deep into how."
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    "start": 92.44,
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    "text": "that makes a lot of sense."
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    "start": 93.24,
    "end": 94.38,
    "text": "The what is settled right?"
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    "start": 94.46,
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    "text": "we have to decarmonize now."
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    "text": "It's a fight over at the actual engineering And the economic levers to pull."
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    "start": 99.88,
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    "text": "so to keep us on track We've broken this down Into four key clusters."
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    "start": 103.3,
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    "text": "we saw everywhere In the commentary."
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    "start": 105.2,
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    "text": "first up Digitalization in AI, which is kind of the brain of the whole operation."
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    "text": "Then we'll get into back bone grids and flexibility."
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    "start": 112.62,
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    "text": "after that a reality check on hydrogen and green molecules And will finish up where it really matters to people mobility and buildings."
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    "start": 119.08,
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    "text": "solid"
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    "start": 119.4,
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    "text": "plan."
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    "text": "Let's jump into the digital side."
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    "start": 121.9,
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    "text": "all"
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    "text": "right theme one Digitalization an AI."
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    "text": "It feels like you couldn't walk five feet in SN without tripping over an AI algorithm."
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    "start": 131.6,
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    "text": "But is it just buzz or?"
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    "text": "Is it doing real work?"
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    "text": "because we've been hearing AI will save the grid."
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    "start": 137.0,
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    "text": "for what?"
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    "text": "five years now It's"
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    "text": "definitely doing work, but I think the framing has changed."
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    "text": "It's not this you know futuristic add-on."
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    "text": "It's being talked about as the control layer"
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    "text": "and control layer."
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    "text": "yeah Laura Sophie Bother from Deloitte had a really strong post on that."
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    "text": "She said energy isn't just about generation in grids anymore."
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    "text": "It's about i'm quoting her here data automation And connecting systems at scale."
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    "start": 159.04,
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    "text": "Connecting Systems at Scale sounds great But what does that mean for the bottom line?"
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    "text": "Well, she was talking about digital twins and how AI is creating measurable value now."
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    "text": "Okay Think about it if you have a perfect digital copy of a wind farm You can run thousands of simulations predict failures before they happen."
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    "text": "It's moving from just monitoring things to predictive control."
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    "text": "That measurable value part is so key."
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    "text": "And I saw Nora Schultz EON was on this topic too, but she was looking at it from the customer side of things."
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    "start": 188.32,
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    "text": "Ah!"
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    "text": "The customer experience."
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    "start": 190.06,
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    "text": "yeah that gets lost sometimes in these deep tech talks"
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    "text": "not just you know Digital bills But AI for Things like congestion forecasting or automated Customer service."
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    "text": "It's about managing all that complexity."
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    "start": 213.2,
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    "text": "Right?"
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    "text": "I saw a post from Carolyn Hoffman at Interatech on this."
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    "text": "she was focused on secure AI especially for municipal structure."
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    "text": "Municipal structures so like local utilities."
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    "text": "that can't work"
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    "start": 224.3,
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    "text": "her point was it's not enough to just unleash AI to optimize a grid."
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    "text": "if your smart city is built on a shaky digital foundation You're just creating new vulnerabilities."
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    "text": "That ties in perfectly with the infrastructure side."
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    "text": "Benedict Scherzinger from Stackit, he brought up a term."
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    "text": "I think we're going to hear lot more digital sovereignty."
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    "start": 248.7,
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    "text": "Oh yeah that's huge topic right now and this is where energy transition meets well geopolitics."
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    "text": "He was talking about cloud solutions which are one hundred percent compliant with European security standards."
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    "text": "Which is so interesting because energy sovereignty used to mean where's our gas from?"
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    "text": "Now it means, Where's Our Data Stored."
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    "text": "It's the same thing if The grid runs on data...the data center Is as critical As a power plant."
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    "text": "If you lose your control data..The lights go out."
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    "text": "You can't separate them anymore."
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    "text": "Okay before we leave digital I want To touch On A Sales Angle From Dennis Hergenroder At Edesso."
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    "text": "It is but the logic makes sense."
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    "text": "it moves The Utility from being A simple commodity provider To more of a service partner."
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    "start": 317.46,
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    "text": "The backbone."
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    "text": "yeah, and if Digitalization as the brain the grid is the nervous system?"
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    "text": "Right now It's the bottleneck."
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    "start": 339.16,
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    "text": "Oh you could feel the frustration in some of these posts."
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    "text": "Stefan Dollar just said it bluntly more grids not fewer renewables."
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    "text": "Classic dollar, no minced words there."
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    "text": "He was basically saying look the energy transition only works if the grids keep up."
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    "text": "And that bottleneck leads directly to the biggest buzzword of the whole event Flexibility."
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    "text": "It is but the context feels different."
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    "text": "its not just an engineering idea anymore Its a financial one."
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    "text": "Halvard Granheim from Statcraft pointed out that power prices are swinging like crazy."
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    "text": "negative price is then huge spikes."
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    "text": "batteries and flexible assets our fast becoming Europe's new hedge."
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    "text": "It's not just for keeping the lights on it's a financial tool for managing risk."
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    "text": "That makes me think of a post by Christopher Freud."
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    "text": "He had this great line."
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    "text": "he said The winners to the energy transition won't be those who build the biggest but Those Who Build the smartest."
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    "text": "A perfect summary of the shift in the BAS market, The Battery Storage Market."
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    "start": 403.22,
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    "text": "Right!"
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    "text": "Can your batteries switch from one grid service to another instantly?"
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    "text": "If not you're leaving money at a table"
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    "text": "And speaking kind of smart switching."
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    "text": "there is specific tech example Dr Christian Von Toll at Weidmiller showing off EBS Relay Converter."
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    "start": 425.26,
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    "text": "Okay I saw it Quick plain English version for us."
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    "text": "So think about all the existing buildings, millions of them."
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    "text": "it connects those old buildings to the Smart Grid."
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    "start": 443.22,
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    "text": "It lets the grid securely control things inside the house like a heat pump or an EV charger."
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    "text": "so its like a translator"
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    "text": "It let's the old infrastructure talk to new system which is huge."
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    "text": "Ryan Bottoms had pretty sobering take on this."
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    "start": 467.62,
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    "text": "Yeah you hear about it all of time Gigawatts."
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    "start": 471.76,
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    "text": "Right?"
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    "start": 472.32,
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    "text": "and he argued we need to move from first come First served To first ready First Served."
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    "start": 478.94,
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    "text": "right now A speculator can block project that will go tomorrow."
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    "start": 482.26,
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    "text": "Exactly It'll clear out all zombie projects."
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    "start": 485.74,
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    "text": "It's a bit controversial, but it fits that execution theme."
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    "start": 489.1,
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    "text": "You know we don't have time to wait."
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    "text": "agreed and speaking of reality checks Let's move to Theme three Hydrogen in green molecules."
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    "start": 496.6,
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    "text": "the tone here felt well different A lot more sober."
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    "start": 501.5,
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    "text": "sober is the perfect word."
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    "text": "a couple years ago hydrogen was magic dust."
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    "text": "now Sabine Augustin from RWE she said The hype has given way too healthy realism."
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    "text": "And what does healthy realism look like?"
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    "text": "two accompany?"
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    "start": 517.94,
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    "text": "Yeah, but it needs help."
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    "start": 519.7,
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    "start": 766.2,
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    "text": "I think eWorld is telling us that vision phase is over."
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    "start": 770.08,
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    "text": "We are in installation phase now."
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    "text": "Digitalization isn't a separate thing, it's the control layer."
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    "start": 779.5,
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    "text": "Flexibility is not nice to have—it's only way of keeping systems stable and for everything from Hydrogen to EVs…the hardware gets there but the market has to catch up."
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    "start": 790.2,
    "end": 792.2,
    "text": "It really feels like industry has grown-up."
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    "start": 792.32,
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    "text": "we're done with glossy brochures down to spreadsheets and API integrations"
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    "start": 799.02,
    "end": 799.56,
    "text": "Precisely."
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    "start": 800.18,
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    "text": "And for everyone listening, that means the opportunities are in those details now In the software platforms The specific business cases For batteries Navigating those grid cues."
  },
  {
    "start": 811.72,
    "end": 813.0,
    "text": "The broad strokes Are painted."
  },
  {
    "start": 813.54,
    "end": 815.48,
    "text": "Now we need people To fill-in the rest."
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  {
    "start": 815.98,
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    "text": "Well said An exciting time to be in the weeds of it all Absolutely."
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    "start": 819.28,
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    "start": 834.18,
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    "text": "Thanks"
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    "start": 834.44,
    "end": 834.94,
    "text": "for listening!"
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    "start": 835.02,
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