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  {
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    "text": "This episode is provided by Thomas Allgaier and Franis, based on the most relevant LinkedIn posts about cloud in calendar weeks O three and O four."
  },
  {
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    "text": "Franis enables enterprises with market technology and competitive intelligence for portfolio and strategy development."
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  {
    "start": 14.8,
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    "text": "Welcome"
  },
  {
    "start": 15.18,
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    "text": "back to our deep dive."
  },
  {
    "start": 16.72,
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    "text": "It's great to have you with us."
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  {
    "start": 18.36,
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    "text": "You know, if you were watching the LinkedIn feeds in mid January, twenty twenty six, you probably felt a real shift in the conversation."
  },
  {
    "start": 25.04,
    "end": 25.12,
    "text": "Oh,"
  },
  {
    "start": 25.18,
    "end": 26.52,
    "text": "definitely the whole cloud topic."
  },
  {
    "start": 26.9,
    "end": 27.04,
    "text": "Yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 27.16,
    "end": 29.36,
    "text": "It isn't just about speed or new features anymore."
  },
  {
    "start": 29.44,
    "end": 30.64,
    "text": "It's gotten very serious."
  },
  {
    "start": 30.98,
    "end": 31.52,
    "text": "Very fast."
  },
  {
    "start": 31.68,
    "end": 32.159,
    "text": "It has."
  },
  {
    "start": 32.299,
    "end": 37.38,
    "text": "It feels like the industry came back from the holiday break, looked at everything and just said, okay, party's over."
  },
  {
    "start": 37.56,
    "end": 37.72,
    "text": "Time"
  },
  {
    "start": 37.76,
    "end": 38.14,
    "text": "to grow up."
  },
  {
    "start": 38.4,
    "end": 38.54,
    "text": "Yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 38.64,
    "end": 39.0,
    "text": "Exactly."
  },
  {
    "start": 39.28,
    "end": 41.24,
    "text": "We're seeing this massive focus on boundaries."
  },
  {
    "start": 41.92,
    "end": 43.5,
    "text": "You know, where does my data actually live?"
  },
  {
    "start": 43.86,
    "end": 45.1,
    "text": "How do we stop hemorrhaging money?"
  },
  {
    "start": 45.78,
    "end": 49.62,
    "text": "And maybe how do we stop getting hacked by really simple mistakes?"
  },
  {
    "start": 49.92,
    "end": 51.22,
    "text": "That's the perfect way to put it."
  },
  {
    "start": 51.44,
    "end": 57.6,
    "text": "So we've sifted through all the noise and really distilled it down to three huge pillars that define these last couple of weeks."
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  {
    "start": 58.16,
    "end": 60.92,
    "text": "First step, we're going to talk about sovereignty and Right."
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  {
    "start": 61.04,
    "end": 62.5,
    "text": "AWS made a huge move there."
  },
  {
    "start": 62.88,
    "end": 63.84,
    "text": "A huge move?"
  },
  {
    "start": 64.36,
    "end": 67.42,
    "text": "But the legal pushback is, I think, even more interesting."
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    "start": 67.86,
    "end": 75.2,
    "text": "Then we're going to do a serious reality check on cost optimization and fine ops and a little spoiler here."
  },
  {
    "start": 75.76,
    "end": 80.22,
    "text": "If you think your dashboard is saving you money, you're probably wrong."
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  {
    "start": 80.64,
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    "text": "We'll also get into how AI is just completely breaking the old billing models."
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  {
    "start": 84.66,
    "end": 86.7,
    "text": "And finally, we'll tackle security and secops."
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  {
    "start": 87.26,
    "end": 93.14,
    "text": "There's a really loud message from the senior engineering community, and it's basically, stop buying cools."
  },
  {
    "start": 93.54,
    "end": 95.94,
    "text": "Start understanding how a breach actually works."
  },
  {
    "start": 96.2,
    "end": 97.54,
    "text": "Okay, so let's dive right in."
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    "start": 97.64,
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    "text": "Pillar one."
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  {
    "start": 98.94,
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    "text": "Sovereignty."
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  {
    "start": 99.48,
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    "text": "you can't miss the headline."
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    "start": 100.8,
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    "text": "the AWS European sovereign cloud is officially live."
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  {
    "start": 104.06,
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    "text": "it is and we need to pause here because Sovereign cloud is a term that gets thrown around a lot."
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    "start": 108.72,
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    "text": "a lot of marketing fluff usually"
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    "start": 110.12,
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    "text": "right, but according to posts from make wheeze Miller and Mateo de Pascal This launch is a genuine game changer."
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    "start": 116.8,
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    "text": "It's not just a new label on an old service."
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    "text": "Okay, so they're emphasizing that the first region is physically in Brandenburg, Germany, but Let's be honest, AWS has had data centers in Frankfurt for years."
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    "start": 129.96,
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    "text": "So for anyone listening who's thinking, so what?"
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    "start": 134.08,
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    "text": "Why is this different?"
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    "start": 135.56,
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    "text": "That is the crucial question."
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    "start": 137.06,
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    "text": "And the difference is all in the architecture."
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    "text": "Matera de Pascal pointed out that this cloud is physically and logically separate."
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    "text": "In, you know, cloud terms, we call that a separate partition."
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    "start": 146.36,
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    "text": "A"
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    "start": 146.46,
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    "text": "partition."
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    "start": 147.38,
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    "text": "Okay, break that down for us."
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    "text": "What does that mean for a business actually running something on it?"
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    "start": 151.78,
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    "text": "OK, so think of the standard AWS global network as one giant house."
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    "text": "You have different rooms, US East, Frankfurt, Tokyo, and they're separate rooms, but they share the same plumbing, the same wiring."
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    "start": 162.9,
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    "text": "And the same landlord has the keys to all the doors."
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    "start": 165.2,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "text": "This new sovereign cloud is a completely separate building."
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    "text": "Down the street, different keys, different plumbing."
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    "start": 170.84,
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    "text": "So"
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    "start": 170.92,
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    "text": "A very hard break."
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    "start": 172.9,
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    "text": "It has its own billing systems."
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    "text": "It has its own identity and access management, its own IAM system."
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    "start": 179.22,
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    "text": "I mean, that's huge."
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    "start": 180.4,
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    "text": "So an identity."
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    "start": 181.08,
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    "text": "in the global AWS cloud doesn't even exist here."
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    "start": 183.98,
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    "text": "It doesn't."
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    "text": "And the metadata, which is often the really sticky point with privacy laws, all of it stays in the EU."
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    "text": "And crucially, the operators, the actual people with keys to the servers are all EU residents."
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    "start": 198.2,
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    "text": "That is a massive shift."
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    "start": 199.52,
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    "text": "We're so used to that."
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    "text": "follow the Sun support model, where an engineer in Seattle might be patching a server in Dublin."
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    "start": 205.62,
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    "text": "That's"
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    "start": 206.1,
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    "text": "gone here."
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    "start": 207.24,
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    "text": "And it seems like it's just the start."
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    "start": 208.8,
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    "text": "We saw updates from Susanna Curic and Ivo Pinto highlighting expansion plans."
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    "start": 213.6,
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    "text": "Yeah, they're already talking about local zones in Belgium, the Netherlands, and Portugal."
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    "start": 217.72,
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    "text": "So the physical footprint is expanding fast, trying to bring that latency down while keeping data inside those borders."
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    "start": 224.48,
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    "text": "So on paper... This sounds perfect for the public sector, healthcare, finance, basically anyone terrified of GDPR."
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    "start": 232.6,
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    "text": "But, and there's always a but."
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    "start": 234.14,
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    "start": 235.04,
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    "text": "Not everyone is buying"
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    "text": "it."
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    "text": "No, not at all."
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    "text": "In fact, there's a very vocal counter narrative bubbling up that's calling this an illusion of sovereignty."
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    "start": 242.32,
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    "text": "Sovereignty washing was the phrase I kept seeing."
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    "start": 244.46,
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    "text": "That's the one."
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    "start": 245.54,
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    "text": "Julius Knuff and Fred C. Veltuz were particularly blunt about it."
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    "start": 249.7,
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    "text": "Their whole argument just cuts right through the technical stuff we just talked about and hits a legal brick wall."
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    "start": 254.36,
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    "text": "This"
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    "start": 254.6,
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    "start": 255.46,
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    "text": "Cloud Act issue, isn't it?"
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    "start": 256.82,
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    "text": "It is."
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    "start": 257.48,
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    "text": "And this is where the tech hits the real world."
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    "start": 260.3,
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    "text": "The argument from critics like Julius Knuff is pretty simple."
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    "text": "It doesn't matter if the server is in Brandenburg."
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    "text": "If the parent company is American."
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    "start": 270.38,
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    "text": "If the parent company Amazon is based in the"
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    "text": "law."
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    "text": "And theoretically, a U.S."
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    "text": "court could compel that parent company to hand over data, no matter where it sits."
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    "start": 281.76,
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    "text": "Yassi Romanetz had a fantastic breakdown of this."
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    "text": "She framed it around the legal concept of foreign interference and possession, custody, or control."
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    "start": 291.1,
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    "text": "That analysis was brilliant."
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    "text": "She argued the legal test is whether the US entity actually has control."
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    "text": "And AWS's strategy here is, well, it's very clever."
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    "start": 299.98,
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    "text": "How so?"
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    "text": "By creating this technical partition, by removing the admin pads that would let a US engineer log in, they're trying to build a case that they technically cannot comply with a US warrant."
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    "text": "Oh, I see."
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    "text": "So they can go to a US judge and say, Your Honor, we'd love to help, but we literally cannot access that data."
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    "start": 316.34,
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    "text": "The drawbridge is up."
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    "start": 317.54,
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    "text": "Precisely."
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    "start": 318.4,
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    "text": "It's a can't not won't defense."
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    "start": 320.86,
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    "text": "But for purists like Fred C. Velduis, that's still way too risky."
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    "start": 325.06,
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    "text": "They argue as long as the corporate org chart leads back to Washington, the risk is still there."
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    "start": 330.24,
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    "text": "And this skepticism is just opening the door wide for competitors."
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    "start": 334.44,
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    "text": "I saw a post from Jaco Landlust at Oracle that was, well, that's called spicy."
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    "start": 339.82,
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    "text": "It was a bit of friendly fire, yes."
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    "start": 341.64,
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    "text": "You basically just welcomed AWS to the club, pointing out that Oracle has been running a sovereign cloud model for two years."
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    "start": 347.66,
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    "text": "No,"
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    "start": 347.88,
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    "text": "AWS is actually playing catch-up in this niche."
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    "start": 350.44,
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    "text": "In this specific niche, yeah."
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    "start": 352.44,
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    "text": "And it's not just the American Giants fighting."
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    "start": 354.66,
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    "text": "Weiland Holfelder noted a huge milestone for S-three NS."
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    "start": 358.54,
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    "text": "S-three NS."
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    "start": 359.58,
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    "text": "For anyone not up on French tech partnerships, what is that?"
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    "start": 362.94,
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    "text": "So S-three-N-S is a partnership between Google Cloud and Thales, the French defense and security company, and they just achieved Secdom Cloud's three point two qualification."
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    "start": 371.76,
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    "text": "Secdom Cloud."
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    "start": 372.78,
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    "text": "It sounds like a droid from Star Wars."
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    "start": 374.74,
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    "text": "It does, doesn't it?"
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    "start": 375.86,
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    "text": "But in the regulatory world, it is absolute gold."
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    "start": 379.4,
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    "text": "It is the highest security standard for trusted cloud providers in France."
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    "start": 384.2,
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    "text": "It's incredibly hard to get."
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    "start": 385.88,
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    "text": "So you have the US giants building these partitions, but then you have the true European alternatives."
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    "start": 392.04,
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    "text": "Bern Wagner or Bernie highlighted a partnership I thought was really telling."
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    "start": 396.22,
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    "text": "Send a clinic in and stack it."
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    "start": 397.88,
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    "text": "This is such a crucial example."
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    "start": 399.16,
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    "text": "Stacket is the cloud arm of the Schwartz Group."
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    "text": "The owners of Lidl and Coffland."
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    "start": 403.04,
    "end": 403.24,
    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "A massive European retail giant turning into a tech provider."
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    "start": 407.82,
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    "text": "And Santa Clinic is a major hospital chain."
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    "start": 410.86,
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    "text": "So you have a German healthcare provider choosing a cloud provider with absolutely no U.S."
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    "start": 415.48,
    "end": 416.04,
    "text": "parent company."
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    "start": 416.32,
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    "text": "Zero."
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    "start": 416.98,
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    "text": "And for an organization dealing with patient data, that just removes the entire US Cloud Act headache from the equation."
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    "start": 423.26,
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    "text": "So the spectrum is really clear now."
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    "start": 424.92,
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    "text": "You've got Standard Cloud on one end."
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    "start": 426.58,
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    "text": "In the middle, you have US Cloud with European partitions like AWS and Google Sales."
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    "start": 431.8,
    "end": 434.68,
    "text": "And then on the far end, native European Cloud like Stack-It."
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  {
    "start": 435.06,
    "end": 435.72,
    "text": "Exactly."
  },
  {
    "start": 436.08,
    "end": 439.4,
    "text": "And twenty twenty six is going to be the year where companies have to pick a side."
  },
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    "start": 439.5,
    "end": 442.36,
    "text": "It's not a vague cloud first strategy anymore."
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  {
    "start": 442.72,
    "end": 444.76,
    "text": "It's a which jurisdiction first strategy."
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  {
    "start": 445.34,
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    "text": "Fascinating."
  },
  {
    "start": 446.12,
    "end": 446.88,
    "text": "Okay, let's pivot."
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  {
    "start": 447.2,
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    "text": "Pillar two."
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  {
    "start": 448.8,
    "end": 450.08,
    "text": "We know where the data lives."
  },
  {
    "start": 450.56,
    "end": 452.36,
    "text": "Now let's talk about why it's bankrupting us."
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  {
    "start": 452.82,
    "end": 453.28,
    "text": "Finops."
  },
  {
    "start": 453.64,
    "end": 454.24,
    "text": "Ah, yes."
  },
  {
    "start": 454.7,
    "end": 456.78,
    "text": "The art of not going broke in the cloud."
  },
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    "start": 457.08,
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    "text": "You know, I read a post by Isaiah Michael that really hit home."
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    "start": 460.04,
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    "text": "He basically said, stop blaming the technology for your bill."
  },
  {
    "start": 463.7,
    "end": 464.8,
    "text": "That was some harsh."
  },
  {
    "start": 465.36,
    "end": 466.58,
    "text": "but necessary truth."
  },
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    "start": 466.76,
    "end": 469.88,
    "text": "He framed a cost overruns as an ownership problem, not"
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    "start": 470.08,
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    "text": "a tech problem."
  },
  {
    "start": 471.08,
    "end": 472.18,
    "text": "Can you unpack that a little?"
  },
  {
    "start": 472.4,
    "end": 477.28,
    "text": "Because I think every engineer listening has probably spun up an EC-II instance and forgotten about it."
  },
  {
    "start": 477.42,
    "end": 478.54,
    "text": "That is exactly it."
  },
  {
    "start": 478.76,
    "end": 488.52,
    "text": "Isaiah listed all the classics, EC-II instances running just in case, massive RDS databases sitting idle because no one wants to be the one to delete them, snapshots that are five years old."
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    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "His point is, the cloud is doing exactly what you told it to."
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    "text": "The fact that you're not using them is a human process glitch, not a software glitch?"
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    "text": "It's the perfect analogy, and this ties directly into a really insightful point by Mohamed C. or Moe about dockboards."
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    "text": "Green is good, red is panic."
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    "text": "But Moe are used, most of them are useless."
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    "text": "They answer the wrong question."
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    "text": "They answer a finance question, which is how much did we spend?"
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    "text": "That's the critical distinction."
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    "text": "As a developer, knowing the bill went up five thousand dollars doesn't help me fix anything."
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    "text": "They need a dashboard that says, hey, that microservice you deployed yesterday, your data transfer costs just spike four hundred percent."
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    "text": "That connects cause and effect."
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    "text": "But to get those, we all need to speak the same language."
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    "text": "Ruben van der Stokt was pushing very hard for something called focuses."
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    "start": 551.7,
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    "text": "Yes, focuses."
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    "start": 555.94,
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    "text": "That's a mouthful."
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    "start": 557.24,
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    "text": "Because right now, the billing data from AWS looks totally different from Azure, which looks different from Google Cloud."
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    "text": "If you're a multi-cloud company, trying to merge those bills is a complete nightmare."
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    "text": "Focus is just an attempt to standardize it."
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    "text": "So it's like agreeing that a meter is a meter, no matter whose ruler you're using."
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    "start": 577.22,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 578.16,
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    "text": "But just as we're getting our heads around that, twenty twenty six throws us this huge curveball,"
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    "text": "AI"
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    "start": 584.48,
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    "text": "fine ops."
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    "start": 585.44,
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    "text": "This is the new frontier."
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    "start": 587.42,
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    "text": "Nicholas Sondrini wrote a deep piece on this, and it's a real mind-bender."
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    "text": "The old Finops model is all about, you know, provisioned infrastructure."
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    "start": 594.36,
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    "text": "I bought a server."
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    "start": 595.22,
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    "text": "What does it cost per hour?"
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    "start": 596.58,
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    "text": "But with generative AI, the cost driver changes completely."
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    "text": "It's not about the server anymore."
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    "start": 601.42,
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    "text": "It's just to the inference level, right?"
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    "start": 603.18,
    "end": 603.52,
    "text": "Correct."
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    "start": 603.64,
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    "text": "It becomes about decision costs."
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    "text": "Every single time the AI answers a query, that costs money, but not all queries are equal."
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    "start": 610.88,
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    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "If I have to write a haiku, that's cheap."
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    "text": "If I ask it to analyze a fifty-page legal contract, That's expensive."
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    "start": 616.58,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 617.54,
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    "text": "And Nicholas suggests we need totally new metric."
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    "start": 623.96,
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    "text": "Accuracy adjusted cost."
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    "start": 625.56,
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    "text": "I love that."
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    "text": "Because if you use a cheap small model, but it gives you the wrong answer three times and you have to re-prompt it."
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    "start": 631.62,
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    "text": "Then your so-called cheap model just became more expensive than the premium one that would have gotten it right the first time."
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    "text": "Mirko Taktimon from OneAI also chimed in here, calling out the black box."
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    "text": "of API calls."
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    "text": "You send a prompt into the void, you get an answer, and then later you get a bill."
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    "text": "You don't know the token count until it's too late."
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    "start": 651.0,
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    "text": "for a business trying to budget, that is a nightmare."
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    "start": 661.08,
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    "text": "Wow."
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    "start": 661.46,
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    "text": "We're moving into an era of like unit economics for thoughts."
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    "text": "Unit"
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    "start": 668.62,
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    "start": 669.8,
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    "text": "I like that."
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    "start": 670.26,
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    "text": "That's exactly what it is."
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    "start": 671.62,
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    "text": "Okay."
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  {
    "start": 672.48,
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    "text": "On to our third and final pillar."
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    "start": 675.0,
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    "text": "We've locked down the data, we're counting the panties."
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    "start": 678.18,
    "end": 679.94,
    "text": "Now how do we stop the bad guys from burning it all down?"
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    "start": 680.02,
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    "text": "Security."
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  {
    "start": 681.02,
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    "text": "SecOps."
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    "text": "was a piece of advice from Taymor Ejalal that I think every junior cloud engineer and frankly a lot of senior ones really needs to hear."
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    "start": 689.7,
    "end": 690.18,
    "text": "I know the one."
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  {
    "start": 690.62,
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    "text": "Stop learning more AWS services."
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  {
    "start": 693.02,
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    "text": "It sounds so counterintuitive for a career in cloud, doesn't it?"
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    "start": 696.0,
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    "text": "Stop learning cloud."
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    "start": 697.46,
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    "text": "But his point is profound."
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    "start": 698.78,
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    "text": "He argues that engineers are too focused on collecting badges."
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    "start": 702.22,
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    "text": "I know fifty AWS services."
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    "start": 704.44,
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    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "And not focused enough on understanding how breaches actually happen."
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    "text": "He listed the classics, didn't he?"
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    "start": 710.32,
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    "text": "Leaked credentials in a public GitHub repo, overly permissive IAM roles exposed S three buckets."
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    "start": 717.08,
    "end": 717.5,
    "text": "Exactly."
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    "text": "It is almost never some mission impossible zero day exploit."
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    "text": "It's almost always someone leaving the keys in the front door."
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    "text": "master the fundamentals, identity, networking, encryption."
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    "start": 733.82,
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    "text": "Constantino's Evangelacos, he goes by Gus, had this really sharp critique of the whole runtime security market."
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    "start": 743.08,
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    "start": 743.48,
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    "text": "agents break things discussion."
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    "start": 744.94,
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    "text": "If you have ever worked in operations, you felt this in your soul."
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    "text": "Give us the context."
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    "text": "What's runtime security?"
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    "text": "So traditionally to secure a server, you install software on it, an agent."
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    "start": 755.94,
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    "text": "And this agent watches everything the server does and stops bad things."
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    "start": 759.12,
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    "text": "Sounds great, right?"
  },
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    "start": 760.04,
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    "text": "In"
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  {
    "start": 760.26,
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    "text": "theory, yes."
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    "start": 767.54,
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    "text": "Three years later, they've deployed it to maybe ten percent of their servers."
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    "start": 773.86,
    "end": 774.34,
    "text": "Exactly."
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    "text": "The developers are saying, that agent uses twenty percent of my CPU, or it crashed my build, or it caused a kernel panic and prod."
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    "text": "The company thinks it's secure, but the tool is sitting on a shelf."
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    "start": 787.14,
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    "text": "If agents are the problem, what do we do?"
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    "start": 805.06,
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    "text": "Ah, so it's non-intrusive."
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    "start": 806.5,
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    "text": "The application has no idea it's even being scanned."
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    "text": "That speed to value is critical."
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    "start": 822.4,
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    "text": "But even that feels reactive."
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    "text": "Lefteris Karagorju brought this back to the absolute fundamentals."
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    "start": 828.48,
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    "start": 830.2,
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    "text": "His whole thing is, create architectural diagrams before you build anything."
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    "start": 834.58,
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    "text": "It seems so obvious."
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    "start": 835.9,
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    "text": "But be honest, how many times do people just start coding terraform without ever drawing the box first?"
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  {
    "start": 840.96,
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    "text": "All the time."
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    "start": 841.68,
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    "text": "And Lefteris' quote is one for the wall."
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    "text": "You cannot secure a request flow."
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    "start": 845.88,
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    "text": "you don't understand."
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    "start": 847.38,
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    "text": "If you can't trace the data path, you don't know where your attack surface is, you're just guessing."
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    "start": 851.8,
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    "start": 851.92,
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    "text": "finally, Rami Akifaji rounded this out by listing the core AWS principles."
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    "start": 856.38,
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    "text": "Automation, visibility, and auditability."
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    "start": 859.16,
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    "text": "The automation part is key."
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    "start": 860.96,
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    "text": "If you're clicking around in the console to secure things, you have already lost."
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    "start": 864.5,
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    "start": 865.6,
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    "text": "It has to be reproducible."
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    "start": 868.26,
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    "start": 868.52,
    "end": 869.24,
    "text": "pulling this all together."
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  {
    "start": 869.72,
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    "text": "We had these three massive themes colliding in January, twenty twenty six."
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    "start": 873.34,
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    "text": "Sovereignty, phenops, sick ops."
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  {
    "start": 875.94,
    "end": 879.14,
    "text": "And if you connect the dots, it's really a story about maturity."
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    "start": 879.82,
    "end": 880.02,
    "text": "Also,"
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    "start": 880.52,
    "end": 881.22,
    "text": "look at sovereignty."
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    "start": 881.6,
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    "text": "We're moving from vague promises to hard legal and technical partitions."
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    "start": 886.86,
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    "text": "We're maturing from trust us to verify"
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  {
    "start": 889.82,
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    "text": "us and in phenops."
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    "start": 891.08,
    "end": 898.0,
    "text": "We're moving from the immature question of how much did we spend to the mature question of what is the business value of this specific AI decision."
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    "start": 898.22,
    "end": 902.04,
    "text": "And in security, it's moving from collecting tools to understanding architecture."
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    "start": 902.16,
    "end": 902.64,
    "text": "Exactly."
  },
  {
    "start": 903.14,
    "end": 905.26,
    "text": "Sovereignty provides the legal framework."
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    "start": 905.66,
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    "start": 908.0,
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    "start": 910.8,
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    "text": "You can't excel at cloud in twenty twenty six without doing all three at once."
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    "start": 915.0,
    "end": 916.74,
    "text": "It's not enough to just be in the cloud anymore."
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    "start": 916.78,
    "end": 919.02,
    "text": "You have to be sovereign, solvent and secure."
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    "start": 919.24,
    "end": 919.44,
    "text": "That's"
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  {
    "start": 919.5,
    "end": 920.2,
    "text": "the trifecta."
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    "start": 920.8,
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    "text": "Before we wrap, I want to leave our listeners with one last thought."
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    "start": 923.76,
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    "text": "We talked about the decision cost of AI."
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  {
    "start": 926.06,
    "end": 927.9,
    "text": "We talked about these sovereign clouds in Europe."
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    "start": 928.9,
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    "text": "As those trends converge, I wonder, are we going to start seeing a sovereignty premium on AI?"
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    "start": 935.26,
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    "text": "That's"
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    "text": "a really interesting angle."
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    "text": "Think about it."
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    "text": "Will a decision made by an AI hosted in that secure Brandenburg cloud cost more than one from a massive shared farm in Virginia?"
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    "text": "And if it does, is that a price?"
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    "start": 949.06,
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    "text": "businesses will pay for privacy?"
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    "text": "That raises a fundamental question about the economics of privacy."
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    "text": "Is privacy a luxury good?"
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    "text": "I suspect the market will answer that question very soon, and the answer might be expensive."
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    "start": 960.54,
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    "text": "Indeed."
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    "start": 961.6,
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    "text": "Well, that brings us to the end of this deep dive."
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