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    "text": "This episode is provided by Thomas Allgaier and Frennus based on the most relevant LinkedIn posts about digital products and services in calendar weeks O four and O five."
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    "text": "Frennus is a B to B market research company helping enterprises gain the market customer and competitive insights needed to drive customer centric and cost efficient product development."
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    "start": 20.2,
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    "text": "Welcome back to the deep dive."
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  {
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    "text": "We've got a A really interesting stack of sources today, covering late January and early February, twenty twenty six."
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  {
    "start": 29.92,
    "end": 29.98,
    "text": "Yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 30.06,
    "end": 33.24,
    "text": "And looking through them, I feel like we're, I don't know, maybe turning a corner."
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  {
    "start": 33.56,
    "end": 34.36,
    "text": "That's exactly it."
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  {
    "start": 34.48,
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    "text": "It feels like the conversation is finally shifting."
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    "start": 36.88,
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    "text": "Shifting how?"
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    "start": 37.62,
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    "text": "Because for what, the last two years, it's just been this endless cycle of, look at this cool AI"
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    "start": 42.52,
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    "text": "demo."
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  {
    "start": 42.98,
    "end": 43.16,
    "text": "Right."
  },
  {
    "start": 43.34,
    "end": 44.42,
    "text": "Check out this magic trick."
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  {
    "start": 44.96,
    "end": 51.1,
    "text": "And the sources from these past couple weeks, they suggest that the shiny new toy hangover is finally clearing up."
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  {
    "start": 51.26,
    "end": 53.34,
    "text": "Okay, so we're moving from the magic to the mechanics."
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  {
    "start": 53.5,
    "end": 54.08,
    "text": "The mechanics."
  },
  {
    "start": 54.14,
    "end": 55.34,
    "text": "That's the perfect word for it."
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    "start": 55.4,
    "end": 57.2,
    "text": "It's less about, can AI do this?"
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  {
    "start": 57.4,
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    "text": "And much, much more about, okay, how do we actually build a sustainable operational business with this?"
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    "start": 63.18,
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    "text": "Which I have to say is a relief."
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    "start": 65.5,
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    "text": "But it also sounds like the hard part."
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    "start": 67.36,
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    "text": "The plumbing."
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    "start": 68.28,
    "end": 68.94,
    "text": "It is the plumbing."
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    "start": 69.32,
    "end": 69.48,
    "text": "Yeah."
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  {
    "start": 69.52,
    "end": 70.68,
    "text": "But that's where the value is."
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  {
    "start": 71.16,
    "end": 77.44,
    "text": "We've got insights here on everything from, you know, vibe coding to the real nitty gritty of product ops."
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  {
    "start": 77.7,
    "end": 80.3,
    "text": "And the common thread seems to be rigor."
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    "start": 80.7,
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    "text": "Rigor."
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    "start": 81.28,
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    "text": "Whether it's AI, leadership, or strategy, it seems like the free ride of just winging."
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  {
    "start": 86.62,
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    "text": "it is over."
  },
  {
    "start": 87.34,
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    "text": "Okay, so let's start with that term then."
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  {
    "start": 89.04,
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    "text": "Vibe coding."
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  {
    "start": 90.52,
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    "text": "I've seen it all over LinkedIn, all over Twitter."
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    "start": 93.48,
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    "text": "It sounds like something you'd do in a hammock, not in a serious engineering department."
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    "start": 97.4,
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    "text": "It does sound super casual, doesn't it?"
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    "start": 99.28,
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    "text": "I mean, in the general sense, vibe coding is this idea of using AI to generate code based on a loose idea of vibe."
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    "start": 107.08,
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    "text": "You just say, make me a retro landing page and poof, it exists."
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  {
    "start": 110.74,
    "end": 111.08,
    "text": "Exactly."
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  {
    "start": 111.2,
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    "text": "And that usually terrifies traditional engineers because the code underneath."
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  {
    "start": 114.54,
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    "text": "Towards"
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    "start": 114.84,
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    "text": "a mist."
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    "start": 115.28,
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    "text": "It's a complete mess, right?"
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    "start": 116.38,
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    "text": "It might work, but you do not want to look into the hood."
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    "start": 119.08,
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    "text": "It's unmaintainable."
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  {
    "start": 120.14,
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    "text": "Precisely."
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  {
    "start": 121.28,
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    "text": "But this is where we get our first really big insight."
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    "start": 123.94,
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    "text": "It's from Lenny Rochetsky's newsletter."
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    "start": 125.82,
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    "text": "And he was focusing on a workflow by Zivi Arnovitz."
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  {
    "start": 128.84,
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    "text": "And Arnovitz completely flips this idea on its head."
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    "start": 131.82,
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    "text": "He does."
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    "start": 132.34,
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    "text": "He argues that effective AI coding isn't vibey at all."
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    "start": 135.88,
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    "text": "It's actually rooted in extreme structure."
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    "text": "And this guy, Zivi, he's a non-technical PM, but he's shipping code like a senior dev."
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    "start": 145.44,
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    "text": "I was reading about his process."
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    "start": 147.3,
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    "text": "He uses these things he calls slash commands."
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    "text": "It kind of reminded me of old school slack"
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    "text": "commands."
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    "start": 152.08,
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    "text": "It's exactly that."
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    "text": "So instead of treating the LLM like a chat buddy, he treats it like a junior developer who needs very, very specific management."
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    "text": "He has these preset commands like create issue or plan or even peer review."
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    "start": 164.36,
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    "text": "Let's"
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  {
    "start": 164.56,
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    "text": "pause on that because I think that's a huge shift for anyone listening."
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  {
    "start": 167.24,
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    "text": "when he types create issue what's actually happening behind the scenes."
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    "start": 170.88,
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    "text": "So he's not just asking for code."
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    "text": "That command triggers this really rigid template in the AI's instructions."
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    "text": "It forces the AI to state the problem, identify the files, propose a solution before it writes a single line of code."
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    "text": "It stops it from just making something up."
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    "text": "It stops the hallucination."
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    "start": 188.9,
    "end": 190.82,
    "text": "But the one that really got me was peer review."
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    "start": 191.1,
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    "text": "That's the killer feature."
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    "start": 192.72,
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    "text": "Absolutely."
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    "text": "Because when you type peer review, you are forcing the AI to switch personas."
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    "text": "It stops being the builder."
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    "text": "who just wants to get it done."
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    "start": 201.84,
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    "text": "And it"
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    "start": 202.06,
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    "text": "becomes the critic."
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    "start": 203.22,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 204.34,
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    "text": "Which is such a smart workaround?"
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    "start": 205.76,
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    "text": "because these models, they're designed to be agreeable, you know, they want to please you."
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    "text": "They rarely say, wait, that's a terrible idea."
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    "text": "So you're basically encoding best practices right into the workflow, giving it a framework to critique its own work."
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    "start": 220.04,
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    "text": "And here's the best part."
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    "start": 222.12,
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    "text": "If the AI messes up."
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    "start": 224.22,
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    "text": "He doesn't just hit regenerate and hope for a better dice roll."
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    "start": 226.92,
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    "text": "No, he debugs the process."
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    "start": 228.48,
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    "text": "Yes."
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    "start": 229.34,
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    "text": "He asks the AI, what in my instructions caused you to make this mistake?"
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    "start": 234.54,
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    "text": "And then he updates the slash command so it doesn't happen again."
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    "start": 237.12,
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    "text": "That"
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    "start": 237.3,
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    "text": "ties right into this whole slot problem."
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    "start": 239.3,
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    "text": "There's so much buggy generic AI code out there."
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    "start": 243.34,
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    "text": "And the inside is the slop isn't an AI problem."
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    "start": 246.0,
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    "text": "It's a people problem."
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    "text": "Lazy prompts get lazy results."
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    "text": "Zevi actually calls his approach exposure therapy."
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    "start": 252.48,
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    "text": "Exposure therapy?"
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    "start": 253.7,
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    "text": "Yeah."
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    "start": 254.24,
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    "text": "He says to start with just a project context doc in chat GPT before you even touch a real coding tool."
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    "text": "You have to train yourself to give the right context first."
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    "start": 263.26,
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    "text": "It's fascinating."
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    "text": "But you know, on one hand, we have this super structured text heavy workflow that's empowering builders."
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    "text": "On the other hand."
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    "text": "We have a source here, Manuel Silva, who's basically sounding the alarm."
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    "text": "This is such a necessary counterpoint."
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    "text": "He says we're seeing a forty-year regression in design."
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    "text": "Think about it, we spent decades moving away from the command line, you know, MS-DOS typing obscure codes to graphical interfaces, buttons, sliders, visual cues."
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    "text": "And now you open a so-called modern AI app."
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    "text": "And what is it, a blinking cursor in a text box?"
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    "text": "Tell me what you want."
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    "start": 296.88,
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    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "And Silva's point is that we're calling this futuristic, but for an average user, it's a huge cognitive load."
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    "text": "We're making our parents learn prompt engineering just to edit a photo."
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    "start": 307.2,
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    "text": "It's kind"
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    "text": "of lazy design, isn't it?"
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    "text": "You're just delegating the work to the user instead of designing a clear button that says remove background."
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    "text": "It is the command line all over again, just with, you know, better autocorrect."
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    "start": 318.5,
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    "text": "A great interface should show you what's possible."
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    "start": 321.0,
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    "text": "An empty textbox just assumes you already know."
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    "start": 323.52,
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    "text": "But wait, if we follow this thread to its logical end, maybe we get to a place where the interface doesn't matter at all because humans aren't even using it."
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    "text": "The no UI future."
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    "text": "Yeah, Akash Gipta had this prediction about agent to agent negotiation."
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    "start": 337.78,
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    "text": "that kind of blew my mind."
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  {
    "start": 339.18,
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    "text": "The scenario he describes is so compelling."
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    "start": 341.34,
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    "text": "Yeah."
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    "text": "Imagine you want a better interest rate on your savings account."
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  {
    "start": 344.66,
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    "text": "Ugh."
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    "start": 345.2,
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    "text": "The worst."
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    "text": "I have to log in, navigate, twelve menus, maybe get on the phone."
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    "text": "In the agent to agent future, you just tell your personal AI, get me a better rate."
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    "text": "And your agent pings the bank's agent through an API."
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    "start": 356.96,
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    "text": "So it's machine to machine."
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    "text": "No humans."
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    "text": "Strictly machine to machine."
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    "start": 361.08,
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    "text": "They negotiate terms, compare offers, and just report back to you."
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    "text": "I got you four point five percent."
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    "start": 366.4,
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    "text": "You never touched a screen."
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    "start": 367.9,
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    "text": "There was no user experience, not visually anyway."
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    "start": 370.88,
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    "text": "That have massive implications for product managers."
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    "start": 373.56,
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    "text": "If I'm a PM at that bank, my whole world is button placement and color schemes in this future."
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    "text": "You're invisible."
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    "start": 380.98,
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    "text": "If your product is just a pretty wrapper on a generic service, you're done."
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    "text": "PMs need to start writing PRD's product requirement documents for APIs."
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    "start": 391.3,
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    "text": "How does my agent talk to your agent?"
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    "text": "What are the negotiation parameters?"
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    "text": "It shifts the whole discipline from like psychology of design to economics of APIs."
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    "start": 400.02,
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    "text": "That makes me wonder about brand loyalty."
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    "text": "If my agent is just getting me the best math, how do you build a brand?"
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    "text": "You can't charm an algorithm with a logo."
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    "text": "You can, which is a huge shift."
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    "text": "And it brings us to our second big theme."
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    "start": 411.04,
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    "text": "the human element."
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    "text": "Because if AI is doing the coding and negotiating, what's left for us?"
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    "text": "Judgment, taste."
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    "text": "That's the frontier."
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    "start": 419.8,
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    "text": "Elaine Barsoom had a brilliant post on this."
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    "text": "She says, scaling with AI is a training problem, but not the way we usually think."
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    "text": "Right,"
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    "start": 425.74,
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    "text": "we're not talking about training the model on GPUs."
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    "text": "No, we have to train the humans."
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    "start": 430.12,
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    "text": "And she makes this crucial distinction."
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    "text": "You train AI on signals."
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    "text": "Clicks, scrolls, purchases, behavioral data."
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    "text": "But you have to train humans on taste."
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    "text": "which is the judgment of what actually matters."
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    "text": "I love the phrase she used."
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    "start": 444.14,
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    "text": "Humans retain decision authority and AI keeps input authority."
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    "start": 448.66,
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    "text": "That's the whole game right there."
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    "start": 450.42,
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    "text": "The AI gives you the inputs."
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    "text": "Hey, forty percent of users click this, but if you just let the AI make the decision based on that,"
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    "start": 457.98,
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    "text": "you get product bloat."
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    "start": 458.98,
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    "start": 459.2,
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    "text": "bloat."
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    "start": 459.9,
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    "text": "AI doesn't know how to say no."
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    "start": 462.08,
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    "text": "It just optimizes the metric."
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    "start": 463.64,
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    "text": "The human has to be the editor."
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    "text": "We have to look at the data and say, yes, users are asking for this, but it ruins the product's simplicity, so we're not doing it."
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    "start": 471.58,
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    "text": "But taste is such a fuzzy word."
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    "start": 473.28,
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    "text": "It feels subjective."
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    "text": "this is where Atira Abdul-Ralph had a great piece distinguishing between product sense and product taste."
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    "start": 490.32,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "text": "Not yet, anyway."
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    "start": 582.38,
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    "text": "this one hits close to home for so many companies."
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    "text": "It's that moment in the boardroom, everyone agrees on the big bold vision, everyone nods."
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    "text": "The"
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    "text": "slide deck looks amazing."
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    "text": "And then Monday morning comes."
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    "text": "Right."
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    "text": "And why is that one so critical?"
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    "start": 685.52,
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    "text": "Exactly."
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    "start": 686.3,
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    "text": "But all this process can't come at the expense of the customer."
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    "text": "Omar Salem had this great quote, a product idea without validation is just a well-packaged guess."
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    "text": "I love that."
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    "text": "not just ask users what they"
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    "text": "I thought this was a brilliant mental model."
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    "text": "It's a tough one."
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    "start": 711.52,
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    "text": "Yeah."
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    "start": 712.1,
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    "text": "So every strategy have a where to play your customers and how to win your differentiator."
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    "start": 717.86,
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    "text": "Goitin says to take your how to win and toggle your where to play."
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    "text": "to a competitor's customer base."
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    "text": "Let's try it."
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    "text": "Your strategy failed the test."
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    "text": "If your differentiator works just as well for a totally different segment, it's not a differentiator, it's just table sticks."
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    "text": "So a real strategy would be something like, we visualize timelines in a way that only makes sense for video production workflows."
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    "start": 759.22,
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    "text": "Because if you showed that to an accountant, they would hate it."
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    "text": "That means you've made a real choice."
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    "start": 763.8,
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    "text": "I feel like a lot of PowerPoint strategies would fail that test."
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    "text": "Most"
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    "text": "would."
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    "start": 770.06,
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    "text": "Okay."
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  {
    "start": 770.62,
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    "text": "Before we wrap up, I want to get to that technical nugget you found."
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    "start": 773.38,
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    "text": "This is for the e-commerce folks listening."
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    "start": 774.98,
    "end": 780.66,
    "text": "It's from John Roberts about how LLMs like ChatGPT actually see products on Shopify."
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    "start": 780.82,
    "end": 780.96,
    "text": "Right."
  },
  {
    "start": 781.0,
    "end": 783.66,
    "text": "This is a perfect example of mechanics over magic."
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    "text": "We just assume AI knows things."
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    "text": "But Roberts explains that these LLMs, they often prioritize reading the body thermal of a product page."
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    "text": "And they do not necessarily read the SEO meta descriptions we've all spent years optimizing."
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    "start": 798.12,
    "end": 798.24,
    "text": "That's"
  },
  {
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    "end": 798.9,
    "text": "huge, right?"
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    "start": 799.0,
    "end": 800.96,
    "text": "The meta description is often just marketing fluff."
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  {
    "start": 801.38,
    "end": 805.4,
    "text": "The body terminal is where the rich details are, materials, the use cases, the siding."
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    "start": 805.88,
    "end": 808.58,
    "text": "That is the data the LLM needs to answer a real question."
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    "start": 808.76,
    "end": 808.8,
    "text": "So"
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    "start": 808.9,
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    "text": "the advice is, stop writing for a search engine spider from twenty fifteen."
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    "end": 816.98,
    "text": "Write detailed, rich descriptions in the main body text."
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    "text": "If you want an AI to recommend your shirt when someone asks, what's a good shirt for a hot climate?"
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  {
    "start": 823.3,
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    "text": "The answer, one hundred percent organic, cotton, breathable weave, needs to be in that body text."
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    "text": "If it's buried in a metatag, the AI might just miss it."
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  {
    "start": 833.58,
    "end": 835.38,
    "text": "It all comes full circle back to the beginning."
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    "start": 835.76,
    "end": 843.94,
    "text": "Whether it's ZV's slash commands or writing product descriptions, you have to understand how the system actually works, not just how you wish it did."
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  {
    "start": 844.1,
    "end": 845.88,
    "text": "The era of vibes is ending."
  },
  {
    "start": 846.28,
    "end": 848.26,
    "text": "The era of understanding the system is here."
  },
  {
    "start": 848.94,
    "end": 854.3,
    "text": "So if you're listening, I guess the question to ask yourself is, Are you building for the shiny toy version of the world?"
  },
  {
    "start": 854.4,
    "end": 857.98,
    "text": "Or are you building for the reality of agents, rigor, and structured workflows?"
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  {
    "start": 858.28,
    "end": 859.6,
    "text": "And maybe one final thought to leave with."
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    "start": 859.9,
    "end": 862.18,
    "text": "We talked about taste being this uniquely human skill."
  },
  {
    "start": 862.22,
    "end": 869.2,
    "text": "But as we get better at encoding our preferences into these systems, into these slash commands, are we just teaching the AI to have taste?"
  },
  {
    "start": 869.9,
    "end": 873.16,
    "text": "At what point does the human element just become another dataset we hand over?"
  },
  {
    "start": 873.46,
    "end": 875.56,
    "text": "That is a slightly terrifying thought to end on."
  },
  {
    "start": 876.26,
    "end": 877.38,
    "text": "but a necessary one."
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    "end": 880.86,
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    "start": 890.08,
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