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    "text": "Gossip Girl, the podcast about all things hair."
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  {
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    "text": "Hi and welcome to Gossip Curl, The Podcast About All Things Hair!"
  },
  {
    "start": 17.98,
    "end": 19.1,
    "text": "My name is Hadna Tesfaye."
  },
  {
    "start": 19.4,
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    "text": "I am your host And i will be taking notes in the next few minutes because the topic that we're gonna talk about In this week's episode Is something That may or not affect me."
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    "text": "We are going To deal with gray hair and we will find out why gray hair happens."
  },
  {
    "start": 41.7,
    "end": 43.16,
    "text": "Well, I'm not gonna explain anything."
  },
  {
    "start": 43.6,
    "end": 45.72,
    "text": "she is going to explain everything."
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  {
    "start": 45.84,
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    "text": "please welcome Leila Berich scientist lead at Henke for all things scalp!"
  },
  {
    "start": 54.72,
    "end": 56.68,
    "text": "Hi hi Leila"
  },
  {
    "start": 56.84,
    "end": 57.56,
    "text": "how are you doing?"
  },
  {
    "start": 57.66,
    "end": 58.14,
    "text": "How good are you?"
  },
  {
    "start": 58.56,
    "end": 61.72,
    "text": "yeah same here and i'm quite happy to be here to talk about hair graying."
  },
  {
    "start": 61.88,
    "end": 62.02,
    "text": "can"
  },
  {
    "start": 62.14,
    "end": 63.24,
    "text": "i ask you something personal?"
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  {
    "start": 63.52,
    "end": 64.36,
    "text": "do you have grey hair?"
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  {
    "start": 65.099,
    "end": 65.22,
    "text": "I do."
  },
  {
    "start": 65.76,
    "end": 66.039,
    "text": "You do?"
  },
  {
    "start": 66.44,
    "end": 67.96,
    "text": "Yeah, it's just hidden!"
  },
  {
    "start": 68.66,
    "end": 68.72,
    "text": "It"
  },
  {
    "start": 68.82,
    "end": 68.979,
    "text": "is?!"
  },
  {
    "start": 69.52,
    "end": 70.46,
    "text": "Do you color it already?"
  },
  {
    "start": 70.8,
    "end": 71.559,
    "text": "No...I don't."
  },
  {
    "start": 72.199,
    "end": 72.759,
    "text": "Neither do i."
  },
  {
    "start": 73.899,
    "end": 75.179,
    "text": "You have gray hair."
  },
  {
    "start": 76.679,
    "end": 77.759,
    "text": "I don't know what your talking about."
  },
  {
    "start": 80.699,
    "end": 92.94,
    "text": "I had my first grey hair towards the end of my twenties and we're going to talk about why that happens and why it happens earlier for some, later for others."
  },
  {
    "start": 93.339,
    "end": 98.14,
    "text": "Maybe we get into that but what is gray hair?"
  },
  {
    "start": 98.979,
    "end": 99.96,
    "text": "And how does it happen?"
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  {
    "start": 101.74,
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    "text": "So grey hair is representing a switch of something called melanin To give the color of your hair, you have pigments and those pigments are called melanin."
  },
  {
    "start": 115.5,
    "end": 119.22,
    "text": "And when hair grates out that means that melanin is not much there anymore."
  },
  {
    "start": 120.02,
    "end": 124.6,
    "text": "um...and it's usually linked normally to the aging process."
  },
  {
    "start": 124.8,
    "end": 128.66,
    "text": "so the older we get The less color you would have."
  },
  {
    "start": 128.759,
    "end": 134.86,
    "text": "and that is because cells are kind of dormant So-to say Um..And so we got gray hair"
  },
  {
    "start": 135.92,
    "end": 143.96,
    "text": "The melanin that is present in darker hair because I only know melanin from like skin, right?"
  },
  {
    "start": 144.06,
    "end": 144.96,
    "text": "In skin cells."
  },
  {
    "start": 145.58,
    "end": 150.58,
    "text": "And if you have more melanin in your hair... Like your skin is darker If you have less it's lighter."
  },
  {
    "start": 150.66,
    "end": 151.74,
    "text": "Is the same with hair?"
  },
  {
    "start": 153.94,
    "end": 163.66,
    "text": "Yeah we can say that It's rather the pigment composition That inside The melanin the hair darker or lighter."
  },
  {
    "start": 166.34,
    "end": 171.8,
    "text": "So melanin is always there, but it's composed differently?"
  },
  {
    "start": 171.88,
    "end": 172.0,
    "text": "Yeah!"
  },
  {
    "start": 172.04,
    "end": 180.9,
    "text": "The composition of two pigments that makes your hair look brighter and darker."
  },
  {
    "start": 184.08,
    "end": 191.52,
    "text": "It just disappears over time... to age."
  },
  {
    "start": 192.04,
    "end": 203.24,
    "text": "Yeah, and if you for instance I have my grandma now she has like white hair but she first went through gray And then you know lighter grey?"
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  {
    "start": 203.58,
    "end": 205.86,
    "text": "Then suddenly became White."
  },
  {
    "start": 206.42,
    "end": 207.92,
    "text": "so that's a process."
  },
  {
    "start": 208.22,
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    "text": "there is still bit of melanin production But not as much before which the reason why would see it"
  },
  {
    "start": 216.22,
    "end": 216.46,
    "text": "Grey."
  },
  {
    "start": 216.86,
    "end": 217.84,
    "text": "Okay So its interesting."
  },
  {
    "start": 217.92,
    "end": 222.1,
    "text": "It doesn't go from being, let's say black."
  },
  {
    "start": 222.44,
    "end": 225.38,
    "text": "Let's just use the most... The biggest contrast right?"
  },
  {
    "start": 225.7,
    "end": 229.64,
    "text": "So it doesn't go from being Black to going white."
  },
  {
    "start": 230.26,
    "end": 230.38,
    "text": "It"
  },
  {
    "start": 230.92,
    "end": 234.32,
    "text": "loses the pigment over time slowly-slowly almost bleeding out."
  },
  {
    "start": 234.74,
    "end": 237.0,
    "text": "Yeah yeah is how it goes."
  },
  {
    "start": 237.06,
    "end": 238.68,
    "text": "so you see or at least how I see"
  },
  {
    "start": 239.28,
    "end": 245.52,
    "text": "okay good and You say its usually linked to age."
  },
  {
    "start": 245.58,
    "end": 246.9,
    "text": "what else could be link too?"
  },
  {
    "start": 250.18,
    "end": 251.7,
    "text": "again to stress."
  },
  {
    "start": 254.16,
    "end": 257.14,
    "text": "Because there is a whole system, right?"
  },
  {
    "start": 257.38,
    "end": 260.24,
    "text": "And this system needs you have a balance."
  },
  {
    "start": 260.3,
    "end": 261.68,
    "text": "and whenever you have stress"
  },
  {
    "start": 262.3,
    "end": 262.58,
    "text": "because"
  },
  {
    "start": 262.62,
    "end": 271.52,
    "text": "everything has also been dictated by the hair follicle then melanin production is kind of shut it down Yeah!"
  },
  {
    "start": 271.56,
    "end": 272.58,
    "text": "Then can I come back?"
  },
  {
    "start": 273.56,
    "end": 274.34,
    "text": "Yay Kootz!"
  },
  {
    "start": 274.68,
    "end": 276.36,
    "text": "Okay actually i'll have something for you guys."
  },
  {
    "start": 276.96,
    "end": 277.24,
    "text": "What do you"
  },
  {
    "start": 278.1,
    "end": 278.22,
    "text": "want?"
  },
  {
    "start": 280.3,
    "end": 280.8,
    "text": "of myself."
  },
  {
    "start": 281.82,
    "end": 282.14,
    "text": "Okay,"
  },
  {
    "start": 282.58,
    "end": 295.2,
    "text": "that I found on Monday and if you see it here so that's the um That's the bill part mm-hmm."
  },
  {
    "start": 295.24,
    "end": 295.6,
    "text": "And here?"
  },
  {
    "start": 296.34,
    "end": 296.4,
    "text": "So"
  },
  {
    "start": 297.04,
    "end": 301.78,
    "text": "that was in your hair follicle Yeah And then"
  },
  {
    "start": 303.68,
    "end": 308.68,
    "text": "the rest is basically the chip part, what has grown out."
  },
  {
    "start": 308.74,
    "end": 311.8,
    "text": "Mm hmm and you see that it's all gray here?"
  },
  {
    "start": 312.04,
    "end": 312.2,
    "text": "Yeah!"
  },
  {
    "start": 312.82,
    "end": 316.78,
    "text": "Then suddenly... You have a black part."
  },
  {
    "start": 317.66,
    "end": 318.16,
    "text": "Can I see"
  },
  {
    "start": 318.22,
    "end": 318.46,
    "text": "that?!"
  },
  {
    "start": 318.54,
    "end": 319.02,
    "text": "Yes please!"
  },
  {
    "start": 319.16,
    "end": 322.82,
    "text": "It's toward- wait there it is okay Wait a minute."
  },
  {
    "start": 322.96,
    "end": 326.02,
    "text": "oh i'm going to see towards my... Oh"
  },
  {
    "start": 326.34,
    "end": 326.46,
    "text": "yes!"
  },
  {
    "start": 327.34,
    "end": 327.58,
    "text": "I do!"
  },
  {
    "start": 328.26,
    "end": 329.8,
    "text": "That was quite stun when I saw her."
  },
  {
    "start": 331.44,
    "end": 340.6,
    "text": "Sooo that would probably mean that something new hormonal has changed and I'm like possibly could be stressed, so I was stressed for a very long period of time."
  },
  {
    "start": 340.66,
    "end": 346.56,
    "text": "And then suddenly my melanin started to be there again... It just"
  },
  {
    "start": 346.66,
    "end": 347.24,
    "text": "kicked in again?"
  },
  {
    "start": 347.54,
    "end": 347.64,
    "text": "Yeah!"
  },
  {
    "start": 348.48,
    "end": 351.14,
    "text": "So that's kind of reversible in that sense."
  },
  {
    "start": 353.26,
    "end": 366.6,
    "text": "Okay if you go If you going gray was stress related, there's actually a chance that you will go back to having color again?"
  },
  {
    "start": 367.02,
    "end": 367.2,
    "text": "Yeah."
  },
  {
    "start": 368.54,
    "end": 369.6,
    "text": "According the hair!"
  },
  {
    "start": 371.62,
    "end": 372.06,
    "text": "There is"
  },
  {
    "start": 372.52,
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    "text": "hope"
  },
  {
    "start": 374.86,
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    "text": "if it's age-related probably not."
  },
  {
    "start": 377.6,
    "end": 387.28,
    "text": "but I have also noticed maybe on my head or white because I feel like at this point, i do have white hair as well."
  },
  {
    "start": 388.66,
    "end": 395.62,
    "text": "Hair that I have is not only different in color it's also different in texture."
  },
  {
    "start": 396.22,
    "end": 397.1,
    "text": "how does that happen?"
  },
  {
    "start": 397.22,
    "end": 401.46,
    "text": "Is that true or just something feels to me?"
  },
  {
    "start": 401.96,
    "end": 405.84,
    "text": "I feel you and do you see that gray hair that I have."
  },
  {
    "start": 406.4,
    "end": 408.72,
    "text": "It's behaving different, always all the time!"
  },
  {
    "start": 408.98,
    "end": 409.36,
    "text": "That one year?"
  },
  {
    "start": 409.4,
    "end": 410.9,
    "text": "Always they're like hey i'm here"
  },
  {
    "start": 411.12,
    "end": 411.84,
    "text": "it's sticking out."
  },
  {
    "start": 412.02,
    "end": 418.38,
    "text": "yeah exactly can you just...like..I almost want to go broke and relax calm down."
  },
  {
    "start": 418.8,
    "end": 421.28,
    "text": "not everybody has to see me picking up online."
  },
  {
    "start": 421.32,
    "end": 423.44,
    "text": "Yeah You were embarrassing me."
  },
  {
    "start": 423.54,
    "end": 428.16,
    "text": "Sorry about"
  },
  {
    "start": 428.3,
    "end": 429.46,
    "text": "this also."
  },
  {
    "start": 430.4,
    "end": 434.38,
    "text": "I was like I am here But"
  },
  {
    "start": 435.22,
    "end": 439.9,
    "text": "so you are right in the sense that hair feels different, like the texture."
  },
  {
    "start": 440.72,
    "end": 442.92,
    "text": "It feel somehow more rough?"
  },
  {
    "start": 443.56,
    "end": 443.86,
    "text": "Yeah it"
  },
  {
    "start": 443.9,
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    "text": "does."
  },
  {
    "start": 444.02,
    "end": 444.24,
    "text": "Right?"
  },
  {
    "start": 445.7,
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    "text": "It feels kind of less hydrated as well."
  },
  {
    "start": 450.68,
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    "text": "and The reason behind That I think is more rough Is because normally when you would have like melanin there um he would prevent the hair from UV."
  },
  {
    "start": 463.32,
    "end": 466.46,
    "text": "Yeah, as the melanin we have on our skin does."
  },
  {
    "start": 467.02,
    "end": 482.9,
    "text": "It's producing like pigment so that the pigments are counteracting the drastic effect from UV and when you don't have it in head then the hair gets kind of damaged faster From UV which then possibly changes their quality."
  },
  {
    "start": 483.14,
    "end": 483.96,
    "text": "or they had texture."
  },
  {
    "start": 486.28,
    "end": 495.9,
    "text": "So its not growing out my head the constant exposure to sunlight that can change it, maybe a little bit."
  },
  {
    "start": 496.88,
    "end": 505.4,
    "text": "There is... So there's one side of it but you can also like the hair quality itself can also change when he grows out."
  },
  {
    "start": 505.72,
    "end": 517.56,
    "text": "because um the melanocytes instead their hair follicles or cells which are producing melanin Also quite important in terms of uh hair cycle and how hair grows."
  },
  {
    "start": 519.539,
    "end": 525.72,
    "text": "And we also have to take in consideration that aging happens when you have gray hair."
  },
  {
    "start": 526.46,
    "end": 533.44,
    "text": "Aging happens and, when that happens the whole biological process that's behind forming hair is quite different."
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  {
    "start": 533.84,
    "end": 535.08,
    "text": "it's not the same as before"
  },
  {
    "start": 535.3,
    "end": 537.52,
    "text": "because the melanocytes are not working anymore."
  },
  {
    "start": 537.72,
    "end": 537.84,
    "text": "yeah"
  },
  {
    "start": 538.08,
    "end": 548.68,
    "text": "The melanocyces aren't working any more but also do edging at such all of a biological process quite well working as it did before."
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  {
    "start": 548.84,
    "end": 549.04,
    "text": "Okay,"
  },
  {
    "start": 549.9,
    "end": 552.46,
    "text": "so then there is a change in hair quality Indian"
  },
  {
    "start": 552.98,
    "end": 556.08,
    "text": "which Is why our hair changes anyway when we grow older?"
  },
  {
    "start": 556.38,
    "end": 557.3,
    "text": "Yeah exactly got"
  },
  {
    "start": 557.36,
    "end": 557.7,
    "text": "it okay."
  },
  {
    "start": 557.9,
    "end": 563.66,
    "text": "So It's not necessarily the Not working melanocytes but The whole process that changes."
  },
  {
    "start": 563.76,
    "end": 564.48,
    "text": "Exactly okay."
  },
  {
    "start": 564.58,
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    "text": "good"
  },
  {
    "start": 564.98,
    "end": 569.36,
    "text": "if you have like hair growing, such as like here right now."
  },
  {
    "start": 571.04,
    "end": 574.04,
    "text": "And you are quite young and then you see changes in hair quality."
  },
  {
    "start": 574.2,
    "end": 581.5,
    "text": "that would mean there is also UV that does something to the quality of hair which makes it sorry more rough and so on."
  },
  {
    "start": 582.34,
    "end": 586.76,
    "text": "If you age than texture becomes different because processes"
  },
  {
    "start": 587.5,
    "end": 587.72,
    "text": "are"
  },
  {
    "start": 588.54,
    "end": 589.48,
    "text": "different to make hair."
  },
  {
    "start": 591.38,
    "end": 598.24,
    "text": "My younger brother who's younger me had his first gray hair when he was twenty-five."
  },
  {
    "start": 598.56,
    "end": 598.84,
    "text": "Yeah,"
  },
  {
    "start": 599.88,
    "end": 605.22,
    "text": "which is to me rather early because I have friends that are in their like"
  },
  {
    "start": 606.0,
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    "text": "forties."
  },
  {
    "start": 606.98,
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    "text": "yeah That"
  },
  {
    "start": 607.5,
    "end": 611.86,
    "text": "has maybe two great hairs and they know them by name."
  },
  {
    "start": 612.34,
    "end": 614.64,
    "text": "basically Why?"
  },
  {
    "start": 614.74,
    "end": 616.52,
    "text": "Is that just genetics?"
  },
  {
    "start": 616.6,
    "end": 617.66,
    "text": "Is it just biology"
  },
  {
    "start": 617.94,
    "end": 618.16,
    "text": "here?"
  },
  {
    "start": 618.78,
    "end": 628.26,
    "text": "um that would depend on how the parents look like but i know They are people I know who."
  },
  {
    "start": 628.34,
    "end": 633.04,
    "text": "their parents had a gray hair quite early, and they also got grey-haired quite early."
  },
  {
    "start": 633.76,
    "end": 643.88,
    "text": "And i also have great here quiet early when it was around to my twenties um...and I think that this was rather related to stress To be honest."
  },
  {
    "start": 644.78,
    "end": 645.08,
    "text": "but then"
  },
  {
    "start": 646.44,
    "end": 651.42,
    "text": "apart from the one year you found didn't revert back to black"
  },
  {
    "start": 651.86,
    "end": 655.64,
    "text": "I never had to close a look at it."
  },
  {
    "start": 655.82,
    "end": 658.4,
    "text": "So this one was just shedding, and then I realized that."
  },
  {
    "start": 659.36,
    "end": 669.28,
    "text": "but i have um A lot of colleagues who realize That when they were for instance in stressful time or fatigue Then so on and so forth They would have gray hair growing."
  },
  {
    "start": 669.5,
    "end": 674.38,
    "text": "But as soon As there will return To normal You know stress level."
  },
  {
    "start": 675.04,
    "end": 678.7,
    "text": "Um There we see their hair pigmentation coming back"
  },
  {
    "start": 678.88,
    "end": 679.06,
    "text": "Mm-hmm"
  },
  {
    "start": 680.94,
    "end": 685.08,
    "text": "when this is really like stress-related and everything, this is reversible I think."
  },
  {
    "start": 685.76,
    "end": 703.94,
    "text": "And we're going to talk about the fact whether the graying that's caused by aging can be reversed in a second but i wanna...I want to talk care at this point real quick before we go into the whole like."
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  {
    "start": 704.04,
    "end": 705.0,
    "text": "Is it reversible?"
  },
  {
    "start": 705.96,
    "end": 707.32,
    "text": "Does grey hair?"
  },
  {
    "start": 708.7,
    "end": 709.68,
    "text": "No, let me rephrase it."
  },
  {
    "start": 709.84,
    "end": 712.38,
    "text": "What kind of care does gray hair need?"
  },
  {
    "start": 713.48,
    "end": 726.52,
    "text": "Yeah so that's a very good question because grey hair also does feel more dry as we said right and sometimes is also related to sebum production that's decreasing."
  },
  {
    "start": 726.64,
    "end": 733.2,
    "text": "So I would say It needs to be cared in the sense That if you have conditioning."
  },
  {
    "start": 733.8,
    "end": 739.66,
    "text": "You know shampoo or conditioning live on I'll go towards stats."
  },
  {
    "start": 740.58,
    "end": 745.3,
    "text": "But if you have thin hair, i wouldn't use that Because?"
  },
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    "text": "Oh, yeah."
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    "text": "Yeah I mean"
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    "text": "You either have coarse hair or thin hair and if i had thin hair would really be looking at the packaging on whether its stated that is full of thin hair or coarse hair."
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    "text": "at least you know, forty years and when it just all of the sudden goes all gray."
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    "text": "Those salt-and-pepper looks good also on woman."
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    "text": "we're not supposed age so the wiseness isn't as valued in women allowed to age gracefully with graying hair and it's like they're like Gandalf all of a sudden."
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    "text": "I do have time again asking for rents."
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    "text": "Do you know what the hair follicle comes out from?"
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    "text": "Right, exactly."
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    "text": "And so in that hole things can pass through and this is how active potentiary can you know trigger or target the hair follicle?"
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    "text": "when you were talking about antioxidants, what else did you just say?"
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    "text": "Antioxidants mainly right?"
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    "text": "is what's gonna happen?"
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    "text": "You will call me when you get there Yeah, and I will volunteer"
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    "text": "but...I don't know what do I know?"
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    "text": "Okay!"
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    "text": "But to finish it off dear Leila um What is that you want people To take home with them when It comes to graying or going grey?"
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    "text": "yeah So going gray is not a traumatic moment."
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    "text": "Yeah, that's the third thing."
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    "text": "if it happens That's because of aging yeah or I was stressful event."
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    "text": "It can be reversed when its about A stressful event and so on but nowadays Its just not When we are already Over the process when you already happened."
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    "text": "It's happening over time and The care has to be like the care routine of the hair has to bit different yeah."
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    "text": "And you know what I would like to add to that?"
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    "text": "This is where i have to take my own advice."
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    "text": "it's kind of like maybe You want to own it in a. I Know That's easier said than done because I am actually you know struggling with It myself."
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    "text": "but I do see people kind of like owning their graze and just, you know running with it."
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    "text": "And calling it executive platinum because its got this kinda boss effect that gives maturity in the best possible way."
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    "text": "go with that."
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    "text": "So yeah, I'm taking my own advice and trying to live it but until then you will just see me going lighter in lighter with."
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    "text": "But you know what?"
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    "text": "Thank you for giving us hope in science."
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    "text": "Maybe, maybe I don't know In the next few years there is going to be this one product that we can all use and then actually"
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